Thursday, October 04, 2018

The privileged two (percent)

From the refreshingly candid Forward, months before the fraudulent accusations were brought against Kavanaugh, we got The Jewish Case Against Brett Kavanaugh:
Putting Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court means losing a crucial check on the power of a president who has made white nationalism a central tenet of his worldview and policy agenda. Anyone in the Jewish community making the mistake of embracing, or even tolerating, a white nationalist administration, is making a devil’s bargain, and the price is either our safety or our conscience.

A Supreme Court majority shaped by Donald Trump means that the most vulnerable among us — immigrants, women, Muslim Americans, people of color, LGBTQ Americans, and yes, Jews too — will be at even greater risk of harm from Trump’s agenda, untethered from true oversight by either of the other branches of government.
Jews as the most vulnerable among us? Ha! It's not 1939, shylocks. We're approaching a point where the sense of Jews as victims has fallen completely out of living memory. Whatever white privilege is, Jewish privilege is it on steroids.

Immigrants don't like Jews. Muslims don't like Jews. People of color don't like Jews. As the Democrat party becomes less white, the knives will start to come out for the most privileged of the remaining whites. Who are the most privileged residual whites? The (((whites))), of course--like Schumer and Feinstein.

Meanwhile, through outmarriage and below-replacement fertility, the 2% is on its way to becoming the 1% is on its way to becoming the 0.X%.

The differences between American Jews and Israelis are becoming ever more pronounced. The cucked right is beginning to wake up to the idea that Israel is an admirable nation-state and that "Jew" is not synonymous with "Israeli".

Walls, the ethnostate, the importance of native fertility and repelling the infiltrators--so, so much to admire about Israel.

And then there are American Jews, reacting to a frat goy like Kavanaugh like a dog on a walk reacts to a cat in the bushes.

Once the cucked right stops revering Jews and attacking "anti-Semitism" in the West, the ability for the self-interested, privileged few to attach themselves onto the train of officially oppressed groups will go away.

What's one way forward for Levantine-Americans?

Become white Americans, not just culturally but also biologically. As mentioned above, it's already happening. When a small numerical minority intermarries at high rates in the broader population and has below-replacement fertility, the days of that small numerical minority existing as a distinct group are numbered. The orthodox population that emerges from this soft population bottleneck a century down the line isn't going to look or sound like Jon Stewart [Leibowitz].

For this to happen, Jews must lose their designation as an oppressed class. They will have to be thought of in the same way Episcopalians currently are, albeit with even more privilege and an even greater head start in life.

This is imperative. If they won't relinquish the designation, it's going to be torn from them anyway. Listen Eli, it's easier for both of us if this is consensual.

It has been noted as the calumnies against Kavanaugh proceeded, his Catholicism has afforded him no protection at all. He may as well be a WASP. In America, where European muttery is the norm, white is white.

The POC ascendancy doesn't distinguish between white Americans of English descent and white Americans of German descent. Right now, they have to be regularly reminded to distinguish between white Americans of English descent and (((white))) Americans of Russian descent, but that distinction is on the way out.

96 comments:

Anonymous said...

Pelosi is of Italian descent, not Jewish for chrissakes.

chris said...

"The differences between American Jews and Israelis are becoming ever more pronounced. The cucked right is beginning to wake up to the idea that Israel is an admirable nation-state and that "Jew" is not synonymous with "Israeli"."

The best response I ever heard from Richard Spencer was along these lines, "I want my people to have their own Zion (like Israeli's do)".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V054eqVFaXs

Gabriel M said...

@Anonynmous

Pelosi isn't Jewish, but Tim Wise isn't Jewish either. What difference does it make? The point isn't to understand reality, the point is to exculpate Anglo-whites for inventing liberalism and exporting it around the world by blaming one of their more zealous converts. White Nationalism more or less inevitably ends ups blaming the Jews for everything because it is the most obvious way of getting round the elephant in the room, namely that White identity is liberalism and that White Nationalism is just an earlier sightly more realistic form of liberalism.

Once you realise this a lot of things make sense. For example, why do WNs bang on endlessly about Jewish hypocrisy with regard to nationalism? It's not a totally untrue point, but it's hardly earth-shattering and is so transparently exaggerated by splicing together opinions by different people with different opinions. Well, just look around and you find that whites generally support immigration controls in their own countries based on unprincipled exceptions, but fiercely oppose it for others.* Israel is almost the only country in the world where 50% (i.e. 70% of Jews) support Trump's border wall. Even Hungarians oppose Trump's wall and Poland opposes it by more than 3 to 1. WNs simply can't cope with reality so they blame Jews. As borderline-Jewish Trump would say SAD.

As a P.S. here is a quote I happened to come across yesterday by a Jewish academic in America named Daniel Boyarin.

More piercing to me is the pain of watching a tradition, my Judaism, to which I have dedicated my life, disintegrating before my eyes. It has been said by many Christians that Christianity died at Auschwitz, Treblinka, and Sobibor. I fear, God forbid, that my Judaism may be dying at Nablus, Deheishe, Betein (Bethel), and El-Khalil (Hebron). The violent actions taken in the name of defense may help some Jewish bodies survive (and even that dubiously, temporarily, momentarily), but they threaten to empty Jewish experience of all meaning ...


Think about that for a minute. Boyarin's ancestors spent 2,000 years hanging on to their faith and national identity in the face of enormous temptations to give in, only to have as their heir this monumental faggot with not even the faintest trace of authentic Judaism left in his withered liberal soul. And he's hardly an outlier. American liberalism (i.e. the only authentic American tradition) has stolen more from the Jewish people than any hostile movement in history.

*http://www.pewglobal.org/2017/06/26/worldwide-few-confident-in-trump-or-his-policies/

WinstonSmith17 said...

Gabriel, huh? No, actually. Kevin MacDonald’s work stands unrefuted as of now. It pains me as much as it pains you, but the white nationalists most definitely have a valid point about the grotesquely disproportionate Jewish role in gentile societal destruction.

AE, brilliant post as usual. You got that right, American Jewry, with a few notable exceptions of course, is a sad embarrassment to humanity. Like I’ve said before, as an American who happens to be of Jewish descent, there has to be a forced choice at some point - if your primary allegiance is to our (((tribe))), go and make Aliyah. Otherwise, kindly relegate the role of your ethnic origin to the same spot it occupies among other white Americans (say, of German descent). I am American first, Jewish a very distant second. Respect your heritage by all means. But, ferchrissake, let it go and become a single-allegiance American, or get the hell out of my country. Pretty simple, no?
I think what makes so many American Jews even more pathetic is their craven refusal to face their own guilt about being too chicken to actually go live in Israel, what with its terror problems etc. They talk nonstop about their Jewish this and that, but to actually go and live among their own? Nevah.

WinstonSmith17 said...

(Continued) so these craven, cowardly opportunists who secretly LOVE living among the white Christian goyim -because, let’s face it, to live among fellow Jews can be effin unbearable, especially among Jewish women - take out their guilt feelings on these same hapless goyim.

It’s amazing how utterly devoid we are of collective introspection abilities as a (((tribe))). Why do they all hate us? Hm, why indeed?

Gabriel M said...

@WinstonSmith17

That's funny since Kevin MacDonald's work has actually been refuted by showing that he consistently misrepresent his sources, makes entirely baseless conjectures and patches up holes in his theory with unfalsifiable special pleading [and, FFS, actually cites general conclusions from his own books when asked to provide corroborating evidence!]

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40806-018-0162-8

Ethnomasochism doesn't become any less gay just because you're Jewish. American Jews are mostly total crap, but it's being in America made them that way, which is why almost all Rabbis pre-WW2 advised Jews in the strongest possible terms against going to America. Jews in Europe had a big problem with people leaving the community and joining radical leftist groups, but it was only in America that these groups had the chance to actually take over the Jewish community. Today, it is only in America that some goy woman who can't read a word of Hebrew can put on a skullcap after a two minute conversion course and lecture me about 'Jewish values'. The chain of blame is opposite of what you imagine.

Anonymous said...

This guy is bucking to have the No True Scotsman Fallacy renamed.

Gabriel M said...

The No True Scotsman fallacy consists of constructing ad hoc premises in the face of empirical disproofs of a hypothesis (Kevin MacDonald's defenses of his wacky theory actually fall into this category, as it happens).

Defining what a Jew is based on the accepted definition for 2,000 years before American Jews changed it is not. For example, this article links to buffonish behaviour by Amy Schumer, but the jokes on you because Amy Schumer has a non-Jewish mother and has never been through a valid conversion (nor would she be accepted if she tried) and is hence a goy. I think I might have to start using ))) ((( to indicate goyim who falsely identify or are falsely identified as Jews. [Interestingly, another WN trope is that Jews falsely identify as whites with the intention of subverting white society, which is perhaps another example of paranoid projection].

Random Dude on the Internet said...

The tribe has been kicked out of just about every country for a reason. We are seeing the latest iteration where they are very quickly wearing out their welcome in the United States.

They will never re-integrate as white Americans. They did briefly in the first half of the twentieth century in America but only until there were enough of them in high positions within politics, law, entertainment, etc. They are pathologically obsessed with who is more oppressed because it gives them an opportunity to exact privileges over their host country. "Muh six gorillion!" they will cry in 2065 when Britainistan outlaws Jews from positions in finance when the country is managed between Muslims and remaining whites who are most likely farther to the right than anything we can conceive of in 2018.

I strongly suspect they will move onto East Asian countries instead of rebranding themselves as white. There's a chance that China will accept them for pragmatic reasons but that's how it all starts, isn't it?

chris said...

Jews are treated as both a race and a religion. When westerners are referring to Jews as a race (in western countries) they generally mean Ashkenazim.

chris said...

There's glory for you!' 'I don't know what you mean by "glory,"' Alice said. Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. 'Of course you don't - till I tell you. I meant "there's a nice knock-down argument for you!"' 'But "glory" doesn't mean "a nice knock-down argument,"' Alice objected. 'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less.' 'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.' 'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'
Lewis Carroll (1872), Through the Looking Glass

Anonymous said...

@audacious

More commentary from you exposing your utter lack of knowledge about educated elite coastal Jews. You live in Podunk Nowhere, Kansas. What makes you think you know about the elite Jews of the Upper East Side?

Yes, Ashkenazi Jews have high intermarriage rates, so many of them will become absorbed into the White community. But are you ok with it if most White people 100 years from now all have 3% Ashkenazi DNA? Because that's what you're going to get if the Ashkenazim melt into the white community.

Also, just because 70% of Reform Jews intermarry, doesn't mean they're all marrying whites. You literally show that you have no idea what young Jews in their 20s and early 30s are doing. You haven't spent time on elite university campuses. You don't have large numbers of young Jews to observe. You don't have a bunch of Jewish or half-Jewish friends. You most likely haven't dated Jewish women. All I'm gonna say is this: UC and UMC coastal Jews intermarry at 70% but only half of their intermarriage is to Whites. 30% of elite coastal Jews marry each other. 35% marry Whites. And 35% marry people of a specific Colored race.

@random dude

"Just about every" does not equal "every". Stop equating 99% with 100%. If I poured you a glass of a liquid that was 99% water and 1% bleach, would you drink it?

The Jews did not get kicked out of every country they went to. In fact, I can think of a specific country they went to where they built a synagogue and the emperor let them have 8 surnames. Over time, they intermarried with the local population and became absorbed.

Anonymous said...

@Gabriel

I agree Gabe. The whites are at fault. The Jews should all leave the United States and move to Israel to protect themselves from White people.

Jig Bohnson said...

Some predictably dumb comments here attempting to respond to Gabriel M.

Stepping back, it is quite interesting to observe that the American elite is becoming an ethic hybrid which has a Jewish component, as well as others. For example both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump's grandchildren are half Jewish. Currently there are large Jewish and WASP components to the elite hybrids, but probably in the future we will see Brahmin and Northeast Asian added to the mix in significant quanities.

The real "Jewsish Question" for the future is to what extent will these future elites identify as Jewish and how will it manifest? The example of Amy Schumer raised above is interesting, as are those of Ben Rhodes, Chanda P-W, and others. In these examples, their Jewish component is a tool to be used when rhetorically convenient, and has no meaning otherwise. WNs will have a field day with this of course, but the person who believes that Ben Rhodes speaks "as a Jew" is just as dishonest as Rhodes claiming to do so.

DreamEater said...

Since non-Orthodox Jews hardly have children, how will a Jewish community dominated by the Orthodox behave?

aNanyMouse said...

Jig:
Now we're really getting somewhere.
AE rightly insists, that Jews must lose their designation as an oppressed class, and that the cucked right must stop revering Jews.
Many (most?) Jews already have lost it, and may as well be Episcopalians, but they aren't able to get to the mike, to ballyhoo *that* attitude.

Instead, we've got *certain* Jews, and "Jews", who get away with passing *their* ballyhooing (of their Jewishness) off, as representative of the bulk of US Jews, esp. when it's rhetorically convenient.
Too many WNs are fighting the last war, and quite miss the dynamics of the current one.

Our biggest problem is the elite schools' (and MSM's) mass-production of Bugmen, and, worse, hysterical Bugwomen (of whom Pelosi is the titular leader).

Jig Bohnson said...

@ DreamEater

Since non-Orthodox Jews hardly have children, how will a Jewish community dominated by the Orthodox behave?

It depends which Orthodox come to dominate. If it is the Haredi (aka beards and black outfits) then they will be like the Amish - disengaged from the rest of society and culturally and politically unimportant. If it is the Modern Orthodox then picture a large and growing community of Antonin Scalias - conservative and old fashioned but out in the world.

Jig Bohnson said...

AE you are damn right about the fact that when American elites who are Jewish or part Jewish stoke identity politics anti-white rhetoric, they are freaking delusional if they think, as they seem to, that it won't come right back at them. Non-whites see Jews as white, actually even uber-white, and they are correct. Does Tim Wise really think that he'll ride triumphantly into the Tennessee governors mansion at the head of a coalition of blacks, Hispanics, and Muslims? Does he think he'll get a job at the newly renamed Assata Shakur Community College?

The same applies by the way to other white and white-ish ethnics who try the same schtick, such as Dean Obidallah and Linda Sarsour, and even the whitest Hispanics like Guillermo del Toro. Plop those people down in the middle of Hotlanta or Camden and they are as white as anyone and will be treated as such.

aNanyMouse said...

Jig:
I can actually more easily see a Sarsour, or del Toro, leading gangs of blacks, Hispanics, and Muslims seeing as these demagogues can be plausibly seen as Hispanic or Muslim, and thus may well be accepted by those groups as being actually among those oppressed by Honky.
It would help Sarsour etc. much, that they're fluent in (having *grown up* with) Arabic or Spanish.

By contrast, blacks, Hispanics, and (esp.) Muslims just break out laughing, at the claim that the uber-white Jews are oppressed.

aNanyMouse said...

Should've been a comma between "and Muslims", and "seeing as these".

aNanyMouse said...

O/T, but breaking: Collins rather crammed it up the Dems' rumps today.

Anonymous said...

I remember reading a comment on an article about the "alt-right" when that first started being a thing, it was written by some jewish "conservative" woman, that expressed my feelings on the subject of jews more eloquently than I ever could have.

It went something like this -

"I did not hate jews. Indeed, I rarely gave them any thought at all. However, after getting more involved with politics and then interested in racial matters, I came to the realization that more than nine out of ten white bashing/anti-white/racist articles were written by people with the last name ending with berg, witz or stein, and I began to get mildly annoyed."

Dan said...

Through this Kavanaugh confirmation process, Senators Feinstein, Schumer and Blumenthal led the charge against Kavanaugh.

The extremism of these folks beggars belief.

That Blumenthal should have anything to say on the topic of integrity is laughable.

Feinstein used dishonest tactics through the entire confirmation process and should be censured but won't be.

And Schumer... Look at his family member Amy Schumer... 300 Americans were arrested yesterday for protesting Kav, and she was one of them. That is a 1 in a million level of leftism.

This was too close. It took basically every single witness denying Christina Ford's totally made up story plus Lindsey Graham suddenly morphing into a based alpha (https://dailycaller.com/2018/10/05/graham-car-protesters-response/ and https://dailycaller.com/2018/10/05/graham-trump-liberals/) to get this done. I prefer better odds.

Thank God McCain is in the ground. As he neared the end the only animating principle in his life was his spite of Trump. Had he lived, there is no doubt he would have wrecked this too, probably testifying that he, too was raped by Brett Kavanaugh.


aNanyMouse said...

Even had Kav lost, the Left has woken a sleeping giant, with this "rape" sh*tshow on national TV.
This is a dream come true for the MGTOW mov't.

Anonymous said...

In Israeli politics secular non-Russian Ashkenazis are cucks. This article goes over some of the differences but leaves out the Russian/non-Russian one. This is also causing a growing divide between American Jews an Israeli.

https://www.jta.org/2018/06/10/news-opinion/politics/poll-shows-deep-divide-israeli-american-jews-trump

Audacious Epigone said...

Lack of proofreading on my part re: Pelosi who I do know is not Jewish and it wasn't just confusion about her husband. I'd written "whites and (((whites)))" with Biden and Sanders included but took them out because Sanders--or someone like him, Jew or otherwise--very likely will be able to keep being elected in a state like Vermont for decades to come, so it confused the rhetorical point. By not taking Pelosi out I just confused it more. My bad.

That's one of the many benefits of interactive comments. This blog is a non-monetized hobby I work on after the three kids and the wife have gone to bed, usually stealing exclusively from an eight-hour night's sleep.

Gabriel,

Wise has a Jewish grandfather and occasionally refers to himself as Jewish but usually does not (I don't think, I don't follow him that closely).

The elevator pitch for why, if Jews have been captured by white liberalism, have so much higher a proportion of Jews fallen for it than whites have? It's not income--poor Jews are much more liberal than poor white gentiles and rich Jews are much more liberal than rich white gentiles. It's not education, either--Trump approval among doctorates is twice as high for gentile whites (45%) as it is for Jews (22%). Urban living? Does that beg any questions?

but it was only in America that these groups had the chance to actually take over the Jewish community. Today, it is only in America that some goy woman who can't read a word of Hebrew can put on a skullcap after a two minute conversion course and lecture me about 'Jewish values'. The chain of blame is opposite of what you imagine.

Re: Fat Amy, Tim Wise, etc who ID as Jews when convenient and without any implied religious conviction/affiliation, is it a desire to be 'victims' that drives the most noxious fake Jews or partial Jews or aspiring Jews--non-practicing, not (fully) ethnic Jews--to brandish their Jewishness?

If I had more aesthetic sense and made more time for it, I'd make a deck of cards by demographics. White men would be 2s, and then maybe white women would be 3s, then maybe Asian men or Jews as 4s. Well, a pair of 4s is still better than a pair of 2s.

What I want to see: Prominent American Jews speaking as Jews against multiculturalism and against racial diversity. I'm not pretending to see this in anything other than a distinctly American context, and a lot of this is more rhetoric than dialectic.

A lot of WNs (understandably, given how they perceive things) look at someone like me as a flake because I'm happy to share a trench with guys like Stephen Miller, Paul Gottfried, Michael Savage, or WinstonSmith17. It really is the reverence accorded the Jewish adjective rather than Jews per se that irk me.

But then I get riled up when Every. Single. Time. turns out to only be a modest exaggeration. I don't expect it to just be 1 out of 50 times, in accordance with population representation, but something like 1-in-20 instead of 2-in-3 would be reassuring.

Anon,

Since 2008, the Obama era, some 92.4% of Jews racially identify as white, and some percentage of that residual 7.6% are Ethiopian Jews. Among Euro-descended Jews, we're looking at 95% IDing as white. Given that virtually no one who is of mixed race--white and non-white--IDs as white (i.e. Obama), it means the vast majority of Jews marry whites. Maybe that's changing drastically in the leading edge of the leading generation, but until we're presented with hard data--which is infinitely more informative than personal observations and can be obtained in Podunk--it'd be silly to take you seriously.

aNanyMouse said...

AE:
"Trump approval among doctorates is twice as high for gentile whites (45%) as it is for Jews (22%)."
This is important. Can you post a link?

"something like 1-in-20 instead of 2-in-3 would be reassuring."
Please clarify what that's about.

"the reverence accorded the Jewish adjective...."
Pathetic. More from cucks, or from MSM?

"What I want to see: Prominent American Jews speaking...."
No matter how many such Jews actually exist (e.g. Gottfried), you'll only hear of them at places like Unz, unless (like Miller) their power is to great for the MSM to ignore.
(And, with him, he's got a helluva full plate, as Trump's ace advisor.)

aNanyMouse said...

Correction: "their power is TOO great".

Feryl said...

http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/xct.gd.e180927.htm

" So when Melinda Gates was interviewed at length on CNBC on Tuesday, I was curious to hear some specifics of her plans for how she and Bill were going to save the world, and to analyze what she said from the point of view of Generational Dynamics.

Like many people, she is completely oblivious to the growing nationalism and xenophobia in the world, to the growing military threats around the world, to the growing global financial crisis in countries around the world, and how these things completely negate her Pollyannaish view of the world, and how they make the investments she's proposals either impossible or else completely worthless if they occur, in this generational Crisis era."

To get a good idea of what's at work here, in terms of historical cycles, read more of his blog. He talks about how various ethnic groups and nations periodically experience horrific violence and/or wrenching political/social change, which can take years to fully play out, after which people settle into a "new" (or perhaps revived) mindset and order.

People like Melinda Gates, The Brussels elite, the gentry American neo-liberals, Steven Pinker etc. are all monumentally deluded about the past, the present, and the future. History is not linear, it's cyclical. The neo-liberal ordained "unraveling" period of the 1980's, 1990's, and much of the 2000's, a time of focus on career, on family, and general cultural and poltical stability, is what's fueling these delusions. The big winners of the unraveling period want this culture to continue indefinitely, as they view it as essential to building an individualistic culture where people are free to move, study, be creative, build careers etc. in the absence of tribal conflict. But that's ridiculous, because most people come to view an unraveling period with contempt, which creates the conditions for a following "crisis" era where me me me takes a backseat to the team and tribe.

You hear the anger that Millennials have toward the GOP of say, the 1990's, and how Millennials of all stripes are focused moving their peers and ideology out of the (recent) past. Remember that each generation typically comes to detest the mores of the world they were born into, but it's a matter of how far they'll go to escape those mores. E.g., Silents were kids during a crisis, and wish to avoid a new crisis as much as possible. Boomers were kids during a post-crisis high (the late 1940's-mid 1960's), which they found to be culturally bland and vowed to over throw in the late 60's and 70's. X-ers were kids during the 60's and 70's cultural awakening, and they've sworn to never let their own kids be as forgotten as they once were. Millennials were born into the neo-liberal era of the 80's and 90's, which they find to be amoral and depressing in it's individualism. There certainly are a lot of people over the age of say, 50, who find the neo-liberal era to be to their liking, because it allowed them to build themselves up as winners in an age where there was no great threat to the established order, and from this came a sense that the world was getting safer for people to do as they damn well pleased with no fear of disruptive mass movements and surges of territorial mindsets and conflicts.

Feryl said...

"Research from the Annie E. Casey Foundation conducted in 2016 found Generation Z youth had lower teen pregnancy rates, less substance abuse, and higher on-time high school graduation rates compared with Millennials. The researchers compared teens from 2008 and 2014 and found a 40% drop in teen pregnancy, a 38% drop in drug and alcohol abuse, and a 28% drop in the percentage of teens who did not graduate on time from high school.["

We live in a time where many people (e.g. Silents and Boomers) have for decades been criticizing Western youth and blaming them for all kinds of things that they find to be culturally wanting and spiritually vapid. Yet, in reality poor behavior among children, teenagers, and young adults has been receding since the early-mid 1980's (when rates of violent and property crime diminished, MADD debuted, and pop music suddenly turned very upbeat), with each successive cohort being less violent and promiscious than the "demon children" born in the early 1960's, whose entire adolescence occured in the wild 1970's. The only real exception to these trends was the turn towards bloody nihilism and gangland conflict among Gen X that happened in the early-mid 90's, but they got that out of their system eventually and since around 1996 there's been essentially no major indicator rising youth dysfunction.

Also, according to Strauss and Howe Crisis periods are marked by major downturns in individualism, and a further increase in good behavior among teens and adults is a sign that we're leaving an unraveling era (whereas during the peak of the last unraveling, in the first half of the 1990's, young and middle aged people promoted a bitterly anti-social culture as can be discerned from grunge and gangster rap becoming the trademark sound of Gen X teenagers of the time.

silly girl said...

Winston Smith 17,

"It’s amazing how utterly devoid we are of collective introspection abilities as a (((tribe))). Why do they all hate us? Hm, why indeed?"

Full disclosure, I am not Jewish. However, the fact is that Jews have made incredibly valuable contributions to the world perhaps because they were living among whites where there has been more opportunity to pursue careers in many endeavors. I get that the less talented Jews can be a pain in the ass by trying to out liberal the WASP liberals till it becomes nutty and even dangerous. Sure there is a self awareness problem among those Jews and their nutty WASP liberal counterparts. So, the reason people hate Jews is kind of like the reason violent minorities hate all whites, and that is pretty much jealousy. Blacks in the USA are far better off than blacks anywhere else. The biggest danger to blacks isn't from whites but from their proximity to one another. Blacks are murdered, robbed and raped by blacks, not whites. Likewise Christian and irreligious whites from Christian backgrounds are plagued by their own crazy liberal ideas. That Jews join in with it is definitely a problem, but they get the hate because they are successfully out nutting the nutty WASP liberals. On balance, surveys show Jews aren't hated by the traditional Christians. The hate is coming from the more secular folks. You have to see the irony that the liberal secular WASPs hate the traditional Christians who are the least Jew hating. Rednecks like Jews more than rednecks like liberals. Finally, the best thing for the Jews would be to take Al Sharpton's advice and, "dance with the one who brung you." Spewing hate the average white Jew-friendly white guy ultimately will not be good for the Jews. Jews need to heed the advise of the old idea of planting gardens and having families and contributing positively wherever they may be rather than stirring up people and creating enemies from friends. So, while a few Jews weren't allowed to join fancy country clubs, my forbears were living in a sod hut on the Dakota prairie so that they could grow food for other people's families in far off cities. The fact is that all people can trace back to hardships their families endured. Jews may have faced some discrimination, but other people faced Commanches and blizzards and many other hardships. Life is hard for everyone.

Anonymous said...

I've mostly just viewed jews in the US as a non-issue. Their demographics make liberal whites look fecund.

If do or don't side with us then it won't matter because they'll be gone anyways. The democrats are being increasingly taken over by overtly jew-hating non-white individuals. There won't be a need to even pander to them on the right, all we'll have to do is simply not be as repugnant as our opponents, which will be accomplished by not saying anything about jews at all.

aNanyMouse said...

Anon:
Very good, and succinctly put.
"not saying anything about jews at all."
No sh*t, Sherlock.
The bigger deal some folks make about Jews, the more suspicious I get, about this big noise about them.

Random Dude on the Internet said...

Speaking of the tribe, they took a big hit today with Kavanaugh's confirmation. Yet another goy who is sitting on the bench and now has a legitimate ax to grind with people who have ruined his life for having the wrong skin color and being of the wrong gender. I can't imagine all of the things they are doing to keep Ginsburg alive. She can barely keep it together these last few days. She will still be saying "I dissent" on her deathbed, that much we know for sure.

Ja D said...

They will not willingly give up their privilege.

Jim the Curmudgeon said...

To the person who posted this:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40806-018-0162-8

I'm dying of laughter here. I have to read this carefully. From the abstract:

"The evidence suggests, if anything, that Jews are not particularly ethnocentric."

Ha ha ha. Right, and I have a bridge to sell you.

There is a ton of research done by Jewish people on Jewish ethnocentrism. Just to take academia, Jewish UWashington professors researched ethnocentrism in citation networks and found that Jews were indeed highly ethnocentric. Studies of academic disciplines like genocide studies and boasian anthropology clearly show that they were Jewish movements that tended to be clannish. Add to that the Frankfurt School and a host of others.

In general, there is no religion that emphasizes the difference between in group and out group more than Judaism. Islam has a distinction between believer and non-believer, of course, but it is isn't obsessive. Even the Jewish author of Postville remarked that Judaism seems to be primarily defined by superiority over non-Jews.

Simply read about the history of Jews in commerce. Werner Sombart was a philo-semite who wrote effusively about Jewish domination of international commerce. He even skirts around such topics as ownership of slaves, preferring instead to relate tales of Jewish 'plantation owners' while omitting who was actually working in the swamps and cotton fields.

Jim the Curmudgeon said...

" So, the reason people hate Jews is kind of like the reason violent minorities hate all whites, and that is pretty much jealousy."

Well, that's a step up from the idiotic 'anti-semitism is a disease' theory.

Trust me, not a lot of us are jealous of Jewish people. First, they are probably the most ugly people on the planet. Have you ever hung around a ton of Polish or Russian orthodox Jews? The Sephardics can be okay, by my god the Ashkenazi are butt ugly. (I make no claims about the black Jews in Africa, as I have never seen any).

Second, they seem to be chock full of neuroses, diseases like Tay Sachs, and other problems. Obsessiveness and neuroticism aren't sexy.

The real reason we dislike them is their clannishness, disdain for gentiles, and disproportionate representation in all forms of power. Their involvement in bolshevism, in the various central and regional banks (including constant financial scandals), their advocacy for mass immigration into western countries (while at the same time they maintain an ethno-state).

Not many of us have problems with Jewish physicists, computer scientists, etc. We are, however, well aware of Jewish nepotism. There wouldn't be half as many successful Jewish novelists, movie producers and abstract painters if Jews didn't maintain an ethnic monopoly in Hollywood, the art industry, and publishing.

At heart it is resource competition, and resentment about the degree to which they attempt to control and change their host societies (e.g., the post-modernist left, marxism).

Of course, people are also individuals, so we don't tend to hold this against individual Jews. I have Jewish friends who rejected Judaism on account of its clannishness and lack of universality.

You might want to read Sun Tzu at some point, regarding knowing your enemy better. If you keep inventing caricatures you will never understand them.

216 said...

The quick reaction from the left has been low energy towards the successful nomination. I was hoping for large scale rioting in DC. Debate over the nomination has been almost content free, the spike in interest by GOP voters doesn't appear linked to 2A or Immigration issues.

The left has made a major error by allowing their fringe to target "white women", when all of the alleged victims were white (POC status revoked for Ramirez). One bout of yellow fever might have been enough to have changed the calculus.

The "War on women" narrative has been rolled back, temporarily perhaps as it was in 2014 via exhaustion.

Audacious Epigone said...

aNonyMouse,

Here for white gentiles and here for Jews.

It's "beyond college" though, so that may include Master's degrees, too, I'm not certain. Either way, the gap is a big one.

Re: 1-in-20, I'm talking about the Every. Single. Time. meme--the tendency for the hysterical anti-white activity or behavior to be traceable back to a Jew.

Audacious Epigone said...

Anon,

It's a common experience. My posts from a decade ago are unabashedly philo-semitic.

Although parenthetically, a young AE was channeling a future DJT with this line:

"Immigration from Muslim countries should be subject to extreme vetting or stopped entirely."

216 said...

In the event of another vacancy, presuming a GOP Senate, it would not surprise me if we get a Jewish justice (David Stras) appointed to fill the seat of either Ginsburg or Breyer. A GOP President hasn't put a Jew on the court since Cardozo.

In the event of a Dem Senate, appointing Garland to replace Ginsburg is a logical sop to bipartisanship, but I cannot see it paying electoral dividends.

Replacing either Ginsburg or Breyer with Barrett, might lead to more of the fireworks we saw in her confirmation hearing for the Appeals Court. Fineswine might be dead or voted out this November, so this can't be guaranteed. Her membership in what will be seen as a "snake-handling cult" is not going to play well.

The publicly released list has 6 women, 1 Asian, there are also one black and one Hispanic but both of them are likely to be rejected on age. The Asian (Thapar) appears to followed the assimilation path of Jindal, and will not be seen as a POC were he to be nominated.

Gabriel M said...

I agree Gabe. The whites are at fault. The Jews should all leave the United States and move to Israel to protect themselves from White people.

This is exactly what I tell any American Jew I happen to come across. It goes without saying that all Jewish people are obligated to live in Israel, but it is especially imperative for Jews to flee America which has taken more Jewish souls than even Hitler.

However, there is a caveat. Goyim like Time Wise and my Schumer are yours, we're not having them. Also, while rank and file Reform Jews get a pass because of 'invincible igorance' we are not taking in any 'Rabbis' or leaders of Reform, Progressive, Reconstructionist, Humanist, Gaylord or whatever other heretical movements have been formed in America. You broke it, you bought it, you fix it. If that means helicopter rides, well so be; Jewish law, for what it's worth, demands far worse. Also, we demand that American citizens like George Soros who fund heretical and/or leftist movements in America such as the 'New Israel Fund' be ordered to cease and desist or we will consider you to be collectively guilty of hostile subversion of our country.


n general, there is no religion that emphasizes the difference between in group and out group more than Judaism. Islam has a distinction between believer and non-believer, of course, but it is isn't obsessive.

Yet more projection. Aquinas writes that one of the greatest pleasures of Christians in eternity is seeing non-believers burning in hell for all eternity. Jews believe a non-Jew who worships G-d and leads a moral life gains eternal life, just not as good as what we get. It's not that fleshed out because, well, who really cares. WNs are overtly and pervertedly obsessed with Jews so they project that onto us, in reality Jews really don't think much about goyim at all. The Talmud has about 1/20 the amount of negative comments directed at non-Jews, as you find comments about non-Christians among the Church Fathers.

Anonymous said...

"Goyim like Time Wise and my Schumer"

Both identify as Jews and have Jewish parents.

Gabriel M said...

Both identify as Jews and have Jewish parents.

No Jewish mother, no Jewish conversion = NOT JEWISH. You can identify as a leprous chicken if you want, but it doesn't make it so. The relentless efforts of white people to impersonate Jews and create fake )))Jewish movements((( in order to subvert and undermine the Jewish people from within is obviously difficult for you to deal with, but that's your problem. We Jews are not vindictive though. If you are willing to stop, then we will let bygones be bygones.

Anonymous said...

"No Jewish mother, no Jewish conversion = NOT JEWISH."

That's your opinion.

"You can identify as a leprous chicken if you want, but it doesn't make it so."

That's not up to you though. That's up to the state of Israel. If Israel recognizes Wise, Schumer or any other part-jew's jewishness then they are Jews and there's not much you can do to change it.

"The relentless efforts of white people to impersonate Jews and create fake )))Jewish movements((( in order to subvert and undermine the Jewish people from within is obviously difficult for you to deal with,"

I'm not white, but if you want to think that Jews dindu nuffin, that's your opinion. In the end, it's the Jews with power who get to determine who and who isn't a Jew.

Gabriel M said...

That's your opinion.

Wrong. It was a unchallenged consensus for nearly 2,000 years.

That's not up to you though. That's up to the state of Israel.

Wrong. The State of Israel - because it was founded by evil Leftists - takes in non-Jews under the Law of Return, but on their citizenship card it says they are not Jewish and they can not get married in Jewish courts. So technically, under current laws, Tim Wise can come, but he wouldn't be recognised as Jewish and, by the time it comes to that, we will have changed the law. He's yours, you made him, and we don't want him.

Anonymous said...

"He's yours, you made him, and we don't want him."

Two things:

1. He's not "mine." I don't even live in a Western country.

2. You just admitted that the state of Israel will accept him:

"So technically, under current laws, Tim Wise can come"

"We will have changed the law."

No point arguing about something that hasn't happened yet, fam.

Anonymous said...

Also, there's this: https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Law_of_Return.html

The law declares the right of Jewsto come to Israel: "Every Jew has the right to come to this country as an oleh." Follow-up legislation on immigration matters was contained in the Nationality Law of 1952. The Law of Return was modified in 1970 to extend the right of return to non-Jews with a Jewish grandparent, and their spouses.

The law since 1970 applies to those born Jews (having a Jewish mother or maternal grandmother), those with Jewish ancestry (having a Jewish father or grandfather) and converts to Judaism (Orthodox, Reform, or Conservative denominations—not secular—though Reform and Conservative conversions must take place outside the state, similar to civil marriages).”

Gabriel M said...

You just admitted that the state of Israel will accept him

As a citizen, not as a Jew. His certificate of immigration would say that he is not Jewish. Unfortunately, 30% of our population is non-Jewish, but time is on our side.

Anonymous said...

'As a citizen, not as a Jew' which invalidates this statement: "He's yours, you made him, and we don't want him."

Gabriel M said...

We - Jews - don't want him.

Jig Bohnson said...

Both identify as Jews

No they don't. Amy S.'s case is more ambiguous, but certainly Tim Wise has no Jewish identity. For him it is solely a rhetorical device used in the service of unrelated political ends.

Jewish identity can take many forms, including religious observance, adherence to certain traditions, feeling an ethnic kinship with fellow Jews and/or Israel, or studying philosophical ideas such as the Kabbalah, and so I am casting a wide net here for recognizing that someone has a Jewish identity. However if the extent of one's supposed Jewish identity is statements such as "as a Jew I support (fill in leftist cause)" without anything else accompanying from the above list, that person does not have an actual Jewish self-identity. They know it and you know it.

Consider this: Let's say you have someone who is 1/4 Chinese and 3/4 white American, blends in with generic white Americans, and is entirely assimilated to mainstream American pop culture. They have no connection to Chinese culture, don't speak the language, don't eat the food, have never been to East Asia, have zero knowledge of Daoism or Buddhism, have never read a word of Sun Tzu or Mencius, in fact have never even heard the names Sun Tzu and Mencius. But they get on Twitter and say things like "as a Chinese person I support xyz." Would you conceive of that person as having an actual Chinese self-identity?

I think you wouldn't. Well that's Tim Wise if you replace Chinese with Jewish.

Anonymous said...

" "as a Chinese person I support xyz." Would you conceive of that person as having an actual Chinese self-identity?"

Yes, I would. It's because I don't know how that person feels about his sense of identity nor do I know his actual loyalties.

Jig Bohnson said...

@ Anonymous

Come on, don't be stupid. You can make a very probable guess about how that person actually feels in regard to their Chinese identity given the rest of the things I stipulated in the theoretical example.


Anonymous said...

Dude, I live in an Asian country. Chinese hybrids are common as fuck here, and I know for a fact that even a quarter Chinese maintains strong ties with the greater Chinese community.

Individualism is a whitey thing.

"Come on, don't be stupid."

No, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Issac said...

800lb gorillas still do quite a number on people who pretend they are trivial.

Issac said...

Whites who defeated Hitler are still in the same category as he. Until that changes, your opinion of who is Jewish doesn't matter.

Issac said...

Spare the disingenuous subversive commentary for less woke blogs, Chaim. Hasbara makes readers like these more Jew wise, not less.

Gabriel M said...

To be honest, I started this doing some pretty good trolling by inverting thoughtless WN memes and at this point I'm probably just trolling myself. Mental note: when debating whites, only talk to the talented tenth, no exceptions.

Seriously, though, I regularly get exposed to two totally incompatible narratives. In one, Jews turned up in America and started pozzing whites with their ridiculous and yet oddly irresistible leftist arguments. In the the other American Jews are brainwashed prisoners (the term we use to refer to them in Hebrew literally means 'captive children') of people who created a fake Judaism consisting of anti-Jewish teachings and practices, many of whom are literally fake Jews.

Obviously, both narratives are incomplete, and in dealing with the two groups I generally try to broaden their perspective. The more I think about it, however, the more I think the first isn't just incomplete, it's flat out wrong. The more Jewish a Jew is, the less likely they are to promote Leftism. If that isn't obvious, frankly, I don't know what is.

Anonymous said...

https://melem1.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/lol-i-troll-you1.png

Anonymous said...

Also, what jews want is irrelevant. It's what the state of Israel and the Jews with power decides that matters

216 said...

O/T from the wall of Talmudic hairsplitting above

YouGov Texas: Calgary 50%, Juarez 44%

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/0f3cqnuscn/cbs_20181007_TX_final.pdf

Question 15 is interesting, I've never seen something like it before. The fact that they included "men" and "whites" by itself is edgy.

Jig Bohnson said...

@ Anonymous

Someone who lives in East Asia and maintains ties to the Chinese community would pretty much be the opposite of the theoretical example I urged you to consider. Really this shouldn't be difficult to understand - I don't know what to say at this point - I hope other readers are capable of doing a thought experiment to test intellectual consistency which involves an analogy to a given theoretical situation.

whitney said...

I went and looked at that dog barking at a cat and got stuck down a YouTube hole

Issac said...

Black hats preferring Neocon foreign policy isn't a dramatic departure from leftism. The diaspora has very few examples of worth to a nationalist. Miller stands almost entirely alone in his politics.

Audacious Epigone said...

Gabriel,

or we will consider you to be collectively guilty of hostile subversion of our country

Now there's chutzpah if I've ever seen it!

The hostility and mistrust of the parenthetical people is clearly a predominantly ethnic, not religious, thing. So our problematic Jews are fake Jews. That's the thrust of everything you've written in this thread, then?

Issac,

Whites who defeated Hitler are still in the same category as he

Yep, and a lot of them think they might as well own the insult. Not good.

whitney,

Ha, glad someone did. I've never done the cat-playing-piano youtube thing but I did get a taste of what it was like searching for "dog barking at cat".

216 said...

No other words to describe it other than...Ouch

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/taylor-swift-bashes-blackburn-in-favor-of-tennessee-dems-breaking-political-silence/ar-BBO52ET


Gabriel M said...

Black hats preferring Neocon foreign policy isn't a dramatic departure from leftism.

I'm breaking my own rule already, but you're such an ignoramus it's not even funny. Here is arguably the top 'Black Hat' American Rabbi of the 20th century (definitely top 5).

It’s not because of this that he’s being accused. No, not at all. He’s being accused because of the things we need. We need to save the country for ourselves. We need a Supreme Court that won’t countenance homicide. The Supreme Court, with one fell swoop of the pen, set loose seven hundred condemned murderers – at one time! That’s what we’re supposed to be grateful to the Supreme Court for?! And Nixon tried to change that. He tried to change the makeup of the Court. And that’s why he’s hated.

And therefore, helping Nixon is like helping ourselves. And I think that it’s nothing but common sense that anybody who is a little bit of a thinker, if you’re not just a victim of the media, should write letters. I’m busy writing letters all the time. It cost me a lot of money in stamps. I constantly write letters. First to the President to encourage him. And to the Vice-President. And to the Senators. And to our “friends” Elizabeth Holtzman and to Bella Abzug and other such “righteous” women who are doing their best to destroy America.


https://torasavigdor.org/rav-avigdor-miller-on-writing-letters-to-nixon/

Anonymous said...

"No Jewish mother, no Jewish conversion = NOT JEWISH."

Not how genetics works. Sorry.

Stodgy White Guy said...

Jewish “liberalism”, more accurately called Cultural Marxism, explicitly rejects most classically liberal values. Saying that Jews are equivalent to “Anglo-American” liberals is like claiming that Democrats Are the Real Racists because they share a label with a party that supported segregation in the past.

Stodgy White Guy said...

“Oy vey why did these goyim infect us with liberalism”
The ((())) cries out in pain as he strikes you.

Stodgy White Guy said...

“We Jews are not vindictive though”
Jews hate Whites so much for what some Whites, who were at the time at war with most other Whites, allegedly did before most people today were even born, that they are trying to wipe out every White nation through mass immigration. The Jews are a group of people absolutely defined by their ability to hold a grudge. Hell, the Talmud exhorts Jews to exterminate the descendants of the Amalekites, a tribe they wiped out thousands of years ago.

Stodgy White Guy said...

In Narrative 1, you omitted the part where Jews insinuate themselves into and eventually take control of institutions, such as the media and university social science departments, which have historically had a key role in forming the opinions of the populace. The second narrative is one that exists entirely in your neurotic Jewish mind.

Audacious Epigone said...

216,

She's counter-signaling Kanye West!

A lot of these celebrities are neutrals, maybe even net liabilities. The market actually moved the Dem's chances *down* 7 points today.

Stodgy White Guy,

Rhetorically, Gabriel is definitely not doing his people any favors. If Jews really lose white gentile support, they will be in serious existential trouble.

216 said...

AE,

It's a wild card to be sure, and as everything she does is planned, I do wonder the motivations. It's not exactly a secret that she despises the right (she's a gun banner and once dated a Kennedy), but her image is baked into purity that attracts a lot of otherwise conservative women. Purity is being used to sell Poz. Oy vey.

Some of the theories (more accurate term: gossip) are some kind of a reaction to her being groped by a DJ several years ago. For touching a demigod, he got sent through the wringer. I consider this case spurious because it was a civil trial with "preponderance of the evidence", she was a coward and didn't press charges for a criminal trial.

In some sense, when she says that some run-of-the-mill conservative politician "appalls and terrifies" that offends me at a personal level, as she's not attacking Blackburn, she's attacking ordinary conservatives. The written statement is an overdose of Cultural Marxism. I've never made a political donation in my life, but I'd give a sizeable one to Blackburn if she calls Taylor "Anti-Christian" and/or "Anti-White". On a serious note, that would be a self-immolation.

In another sense, I revel in the idea that she could be "appalled and terrified".


One odd thing, she didn't endorse the Dem running for Governor.

It will probably just blow over. If Taylor rides along with the Dem nonstop until Election Day, that might make an impact.

Feryl said...

Hey, Agnostic is catching on....

"As it turns out, the circus was not about issues of gender / sexual identity / kinship / etc., but attacking an ethno-cultural group -- Anglo-Celtic conservatives. That is entirely a within-elite battle, with the other side being Ellis Island liberals."

He goes on to point out that Hollywood's epidemic of sexual predation was treated with indifference to flippancy for many generations, and only recently has come under any sustained attention....Only for the most generic "empowerment" rhetoric/displays to happen within Hollywood itself (e.g., tepid expressions of solidarity with women at awards shows), signalling that it's likely that BAU will continue in the heavily Jewish entertainment industry.

Meanwhile, Jewish elites (and the goys who love them) have their knives out for preppy (e.g. an actual or affected upper class Brit ID) goys within the Northeast establishment, who occupy positions that are coveted by elites and wannabe elites, and said goys are still (still!) thought to benefit from crypto-aristocratic networks rooted in the ancient Brit class system that got imported to some degree into the Anglo diaspora (and in the US was always strongest in Southern New England, the coastal Mid-Alantic, and the lowland South, but much weaker in Appalachia, the Midwest, and the Western US).

The gentry Left establishment likely would be much more diffident towards a Trump nominee not of the preppy goy mold (being a white male goy in itself would be alright if he had a Polish name and went to school in say, Wisconsin). The endless regurgitation of Kavanaugh's Northeastern preppy youth smacks of revenge porn breathlessly gushed out. It's envy, insecurity, and ethnic animus all rolled into one. I wonder if the hysterically anti-Kavanaugh elites realize that vast swathes of the country don't even know the names of all the East Coast preppy/elite grooming schools, much less give a damn about going to one, or resenting preppies who are richer, more athletic, and better looking than they are. As a Midwesterner, this whole thing seems like an over-blown rage fest from people who need to get a life.

Feryl said...

According to N-gram, "preppy" soared after about 1976, suggesting that the term is rooted in status envy, not so much in wholesome populism (in the populist 1930's-1960's, we resented elites for being corrupt assholes; we didn't want to BE the arrogant elite). It wouldn't surprise if Jews in particular popularized the ridicule of "preppies"; after all, they of all people, during a corrupt time period, are going to be quick to attack a person or group of people thought to have unfairly gained status that many others covet.

Note the difference in how we treat elites thought to be corrupt; in a period of rising populism (like say, 1910-1970), elites are attacked by the masses for obvious arrogance and corruption, and society tries to stop them from indulgence. In a period of rising elitism (like say, 1970-the present), elites are attacked by other elites in order to bring them down so that a more cunning elite can replace them and begin their quest to further line their pockets.

Feryl said...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/19/opinion/democrats-gentrification-cities-voters.html

I found an NYTimes article from early 2018 called "the Dem's Gentrification Problem". It talks in detail about inner metro areas, since the early 2000's, being increasingly "bifurcated" into two classes: well-educated whites, and non-whites who are often proles. It mentions various demographic changes, and the demographic profile of the affluent "good" (e.g. white and Asian) neighborhoods, how they're expanding while also becoming more exclusive as SWPLs generally resist measures to introduce more housing units into established areas, thus sending more blacks and immigrants into the suburbs and, the article claims, the exurbs (!). To think that prior to say, 1990, one could travel thousands of miles across this country and see nary a non-white face outside of urban areas.

It also mentions that cities like Boston, NYC, Seattle, etc. already were experiencing this to some degree in the late 80's and 90's. What he doesn't mention is that wasn't until crime declines were apparent in the early 2000's that most cities began to experience a lot of gentrification.

He does mention blacks being displaced by NWNBs (not white, not black) and immigrants, and he also notes that today's high end and generally white population of elites is very dependent on foreign labor which struggles to afford to live near the elites they serve. Of course this is all very Guilded Age, very dystopian and Dickensian. All the more so because the "woke" author can't be bothered to criticize excessive immigration on any grounds, much less the grounds that it's harmful to the underclass natives.

I bring this article up because the liberal author does criticize liberals for avoiding the very diversity that they publicly praise. It's not just the usual blather about dumb conservatives living out in they sticks and piling up ammo. The article also mentions several studies about today's demographic trends in urban living. Might want to check it out.

216 said...

Feryl,

The Jews are highly cognizant of the fact they have to share the white quota, and they want to maximize their share of it. The previous administration had a desire to create an "Arab" category as a proxy for Muslims, "Middle East and North Africa", but Jews would have been obliged to accept this category as a way of getting POC status.

Other judges under consideration (Hardiman) Irish, married to an Italian Democrat, a liberal on immigration. Kethledge (WASP) from Michigan, useless on immigration according to Ann Coulter, married to a "Levinson" so presumably of Jewish origin.

Pryor, of Alabama, would have attracted the highest intensity of opposition, and the moderate GOP Senators would have balked. Its not an accident that the only Southerner on the court is black. Catholic, but Pryor isn't a specifically Irish surname.

Given the need to produce a nominee that has a substantial record, it is unavoidable to have people that went to the top schools, and then clerked for a federal judge. So we don't get the evangelical Protestant that the base clearly wants. Don Willett is the only obvious Southern evangelical on the list.

It's unavoidable that the next nominee will have to be a woman. I'd rather it not be Barrett given her heretical cult membership, Haitian adoptions and clearly stated opposition to capital punishment. Trump would be well advised to ditch the Federalist society and appoint non-judges with populist views.

216 said...

Feryl,

To liberals, immigration is a "civil rights" issue that cannot be questioned. It's hard to say whether or not this view is worse than the cuckservative view of "hard working" immigrants, which is factually true but not in a partisan context. The elite view it in a different fashion, as a tool of foreign policy to cultivate diaspora networks, and as a way of reducing inflation via wage suppression while still expanding consumer demand via population.

There is also a tendency, that "rubbing their nose in diversity" is only meant for the "unwoke" conservative. A woke liberal has purity of heart thus no need for the sacrament. As white conservatives are hesitant to make racial/leitkultur arguments, this strategy works quite well to tie them in knots. Anyone who says even something mild like "I want to live with people of a similar background" will face social opprobrium. In a backlash to Boomer "helicopter parenting", there is now an X/Millenial belief that you can't "shelter" children.

Rising living costs in bicoastal cities will lead to further automation. I understand there are restaurants in San Francisco that automate much of the food production, as well as ground drones that will deliver orders. Self-driving cars will also be important, as well as when gentrification reaches its conclusion the public transit system becomes viable as it is in Japan.

Liberals have a strange fetish for "mixed" neighborhoods, where an area is supposed to somehow mirror the ethnic and income base of the total area. This kind of neighborhood is usually "transitional" without explicit social engineering. They need to understand that socioeconomic egalitarianism is only possible in ethnic homogeneous areas. Diversity is divisive by nature.

Audacious Epigone said...

216,

Blackburn is going to win. Swift will fall on her face right out of the political gate. She can go to hell. Blackburn has been good on immigration--much better than Corker.

Feryl,

As a Midwesterner, this whole thing seems like an over-blown rage fest from people who need to get a life.

I get that the Kavanaugh confirmation attempted derailment and subsequent fight was driven by elites but it engulfed the country. I've seen estimates that 60 million people tuned in to the Senate hearings through one medium or another.

Feryl said...

"get that the Kavanaugh confirmation attempted derailment and subsequent fight was driven by elites but it engulfed the country. I've seen estimates that 60 million people tuned in to the Senate hearings through one medium or another."

In that gentrification article, they mention that something like over 95% of the wealthy vote, and some donate money to candidates. Almost no proles donate money and many don't vote.

I, once again, have to caution against the idea that the national temperature is at like, 105 degrees. 1967-1968 had massive urban riots and several notable assassinations. Protests against Vietnam, and battles between the young and the old, the pro-war and the anti-war crowd, students and police, hippies against working stiffs etc. were comparatively speaking everywhere. College age kids were routinely picking verbal and even physical fights with their parents, with school administrators, with police, etc. Growing out your hair, bell bottoms, and smoking pot could all instigate fights with conservative proles and authority figures.

We just are no where near that kind of environment right now. Younger generations are cynically accustomed to older adults being morons who can't sustain any effective leadership or team work. It's analagous to the lead up to the Civil War, when fiery clashes of moralistic (but effectively worthless) older adults elicited sighs and yawns from that era's 20, 30, and 40 somethings.

According to Strauss and Howe, Unravelling periods (such as the ones that preceded the Civil War, the Great Depression, and the current period) are times of disinterest in civics and team work, which become so depressing that all generations are supposed to mobilize a young generation to lead us through a crisis, after which we emerge with great conformity to civic order. The problem is when hapless "leaders" are so inept that they can't even agree on the nature of the problem we are dealing with, let alone mobilize everyone to do the right thing. The Missionary, Lost, and GI generation are all rolling in their graves right now; everything they did to stabilize society in the 1930's-1980's has been gradually chipped away at by Boomers, who via their spoiled backgrounds and sheer numbers are simply the most influential and powerful generation in human history.

Pissing away a good crisis resolution is why the youngsters of the Civil War era grew to sympathize with that era's Gen X-ers while cursing Abe Lincoln's Transcendental Generation (the pre-cursor to the Boomers) for taking a dump on America. Likewise, every last flaw of the Boomers (narcissism, flakiness, preachiness, stubborness, etc.) that the Gen X-ers tried to warn us about, is still evident to this day. Boomers still haven't grown up, even though they were "allowed" in the late 70's and 80's to start assuming important positions in society. They may have worked to build the right credentials on paper.....But on an emotional and character level, did they deserve the power they were given? Hell no.

Feryl said...

Remember that "we" (the Lost and GI generation) told the Boomers "NO" one time in their life (in the late 60's and very early 70's). And look at how they reacted! No wonder society quickly did stuff like remove homosexuality from the DSM in the 70's. No wonder we abolished the draft. No wonder the police essentially stopped strongly enforcing many laws in the 70's (wouldn't want black Boomers to start burning their cities to the ground again). This has fed into, time and time again, the sense that Boomers have that it's never been, and never will be, asked of them to calm the fuck down and start listening to the people around them, instead of the constant focus on their own egos and ambitions. I swear, to this day I hear 60 and 70 year old people spouting the most moldy ideology and and vapid memes (be they liberal or conservative). Like how I've heard several Boomers say that we aren't hard enough on criminals (are you effing kidding me? Are prison population is higher than China's!).

Feryl said...

Using a "fiery" term like "engulfed" is well, overheated. There is hardly any civic disorder at the moment, nothing on the level of peak-BLM in the mid-2010's. You've got partisan hack crybabies (on either side of the aisle) having meltdowns or inane touchdown celebrations in the media (when getting Kavanaugh nominated is nothing to write home about, yeah I know "in your face ya stupid Dems" and all that but is Kavanaugh going to gut neo-liberalism? Don't count on it.), and you've also got Lefty zealots scrawling stuff on Kavanaugh's garage and interrupting government proceedings in an annoying but not very violent way. Overall, nothing too dramatic. Again, I would suggest examining the climate of 1964-1974, or 1914-1924, before we get too carried away with the over-dramatizing of the national level of disorder and enmity (the unrest of the late 1910's helped create support for halting immigration, BTW).

Now granted, I suspect that the 2020 election has the real potential to kick off another real shit-storm, esp. if both sides are running no-compromisers, who are galloping paladins of ruinous true believer partisan-ship. But the 2018 mid-terms are only being treated as a BFD by a fairly narrow band of the population (local Dem ads talks about GOPer's restricting abortion; trust me not that many people really care that much about social issues, if they did then they'd be donating money to lobby and activist groups). Trump and Sanders already proved that people care primarily about economic and security issues, not boutique elitist crapola. Guns, religion, abortion, etc. just don't matter, at the end of the day, as much as putting food on the table and not feeling as if you are over-run with deviants, zealots, criminals, and foreigners.

Feryl said...

Feryl,

"To liberals, immigration is a "civil rights" issue that cannot be questioned. It's hard to say whether or not this view is worse than the cuckservative view of "hard working" immigrants, which is factually true but not in a partisan context. The elite view it in a different fashion, as a tool of foreign policy to cultivate diaspora networks, and as a way of reducing inflation via wage suppression while still expanding consumer demand via population."

Sympathizing, in theory, with the "low man" is a step in the right direction.....Which they promptly walk back on when they don't bother to single out the elites who benefit from mass immigration (public shaming would do at the very least, and more stubborn elites could get their assets stripped for not cooperating).

When current conservatives say, "keep all Muslims out" or whatever that sounds pretty good....But then older conservatives in particular praise Asians or Mexicans for keeping their mouths shut, thereby heavily neutering any possibility of good immigration changes (we simply need fewer foreigners of all kinds at the moment, and trying to earn Horatio Alger or PC brownie points by elevating the more productive groups above the dead weight is counter-productive).

Jeopardizing the cultural, economic, and mental well being of society so that 10-20% of the population can make more money, play tinker tailor soldier spy, and experience more "excitement" is all par for the course in a corrupt period. It takes a majority of elites feeling noblesse oblige to achieve progress. But as we saw with the Civil War, and as we are seeing right now, all indicators are that 70-80% of each era's aging loudmouth generation are complete idiots at how to run a society that encourages modesty, fair play, and stability.

WinstonSmith17 said...

AE,

Indeed, people like Gabe aren’t doing us any favors at all. His style exemplifies the narcissistic arrogance so sadly ubiquitous among us parenthetically endowed. It also exemplifies our most salient ethnic characteristic imho - the irresistible compulsion to argue for the sake of arguing, to contradict for the sake of contradicting.

Maybe he’s trying to elicit more Aliyah? After all, the more “you gentiles” presumably “oppress” us, the more likely a backlash will occur that will force us to rely on “helicopter evacuations” to Israel. I don’t know. All I know is that Israel is not my country (any longer) and, if Chuck Palahniuk’s Caucasia is willing to accept me and mine, if there is some sort of application to fill out to request assimilation into humanity at large, please mail me the application form.

Feryl said...

"Rising living costs in bicoastal cities will lead to further automation. I understand there are restaurants in San Francisco that automate much of the food production, as well as ground drones that will deliver orders. Self-driving cars will also be important, as well as when gentrification reaches its conclusion the public transit system becomes viable as it is in Japan."

It's funny how Millennials love trains and infrastructure. Boomers grew up with gleaming infrastructure works, and when they reached adulthood they almost immediately began attacking all kinds of development, but public transit invariably got hit the hardest (and Thatcher, in England, famously wanted the UK to emulate US car culture and her party immediately started eviscerating funding for rail and public transit). JH Kunstler often says that one the great ironies of the 1960's counter-culture is how little it did to repudiate automobile culture, given that car culture necessitates great swathes of land being given over to asphalt, while that era's automobiles created lots of pollution. Boomers hate having to be around other people unless it's a very specific group of family members or friends. They want their privacy, too (according to surveys, Boomers are the most privacy obsessed generation). Boomers put up big walls and fences on their properties to keep people's bodies and eyes off their territory, and to insure that their pets and children couldn't wander off. And Boomers definitely don't want anyone else doing the driving.

Public transit is one of those things that'll clearly always remain a point of contention between Millennials and older generations. As will, I suppose, progressive taxation (which Boomer usually oppose on the grounds that it punishes those oh so wonderful rich people for having worked hard).

Gen X-ers are a unique story. On most issues they actually are somewhere between Boomers and Millennials, but on a few issues they side much more with Boomers. Still, X-ers aren't as rigidly ideological as Boomers, and thus they will never be as willing as Boomers are to get in the way of deal making for the sake of proving an ego-driven point (my principles).

216 said...

Feryl,

For most of my time in politics, it would seem a small miracle to just stop illegal immigration, let alone deport those already here and reduce the number coming in legally. The immigration battle has always been portrayed by the 2% cultural establishment as nativist bullies going after poor, voiceless, immigrants. The idea that elites are behind mass immigration tends to be a non-sequitur, or evidence of boorish conservatives being fooled by their elite's hypocrisy.

A lot of Boomer conservatives misattribute "hard work" to support for conservatism. Anyone that "works hard" should conceivably not want their hard-earned dollars to support layabout socialists. This co-exists with "work smart, not hard", another boomer aphorism. It never occurs to a Boomercon that a black middle class individual might support social programs because it improves black social outcomes (transfers white wealth to blacks), even while it also transfers the black middle class dollars as well. The savvier Boomercon might notice that lots of blacks have relatives on welfare programs, or work in the public sector, or have benefited from affirmative action. Those on the bleeding edge will come to realize that blacks have a sustained resentment of whites, but almost never will they accept the idea of ethnic solidarity that they never display amongst themselves.

For all the negative views that Americans regularly display against Islam, to the extent that lots of low-information voters literally thought Trump was going to ban it, there has been no sustained resistance to Muslim immigration. One retired woman blogger is about all there is.

216 said...

Feryl,

The immediate correlation among my Boomer parents, and nearly all Boomers I've met other than underclass blacks, is that public transit is a vector of crime. Even after the massive reduction of crime from its 1990s peak, they still perceive they will be mugged and that the criminal class uses transit to access suburbs. The Cleveland transit system is actually rather innovative, but its management is thoroughly corrupt. $100 million was spent building a spur line to the sportsball stadium.

I share my generations love for trains, but not the high cost of building them. China has been able to do it by writing up a large amount of debt and authoritarian power to remove obstacles. The trains in liberal democratic India are far behind schedule. I will be amazed if the California rail project is finished by 2035, its best hope is that the state becomes an independent country and the new leadership sees it as a vanity project.

Gabriel M said...

Indeed, people like Gabe aren’t doing us any favors at all. His style exemplifies the narcissistic arrogance so sadly ubiquitous among us parenthetically endowed. It also exemplifies our most salient ethnic characteristic imho - the irresistible compulsion to argue for the sake of arguing, to contradict for the sake of contradicting.

Maybe he’s trying to elicit more Aliyah? After all, the more “you gentiles” presumably “oppress” us, the more likely a backlash will occur that will force us to rely on “helicopter evacuations” to Israel. I don’t know. All I know is that Israel is not my country (any longer) and, if Chuck Palahniuk’s Caucasia is willing to accept me and mine, if there is some sort of application to fill out to request assimilation into humanity at large, please mail me the application form.



I already told you. Ethnomasochism is gay, it's just as gay if you're Jewish. It's especially gay if you are some sort of liberal universalist wannabe white nationalist.

Rhetorically, Gabriel is definitely not doing his people any favors. If Jews really lose white gentile support, they will be in serious existential trouble.

Yep, I'm really going to lose white gentile support by winding up WNs on a blog. You guys are a hoot.

The second narrative is one that exists entirely in your neurotic Jewish mind.

Dumbass. Judaism means not working on Saturdays, living in a succah for 7 days, keeping kosher, married women covering their hair, men not touching women except their wives, ultraconservative social mores, separation between mean and women in public spaces, men not touching there wives for 12 days after they menstruate, going to synagogue three times a day, not wearing wool and linen, and studying Torah. This was accepted by everyone everywhere for millenia. It's still accepted in most of the world. Most American Jews literally can't read two consecutive words in Hebrew. Not as in they can't understand it, but they can't even vocalize it. Try it an see. I remember vividly the first time I met American Jew at university, it was embarrassing and scary at the same time. Before that, it had literally never occurred to me, coming as I did from a not particularly observant home, that anyone would even possibly suggest there was some kind of positive correlation between being Jewish and being a leftist faggot. One can argue about the mechanism of how the majority of American Jews were converted to a religion that is 100% the opposite of historical Judaism, but one can't deny it happened. It's just a fact.

Feryl said...

"The immediate correlation among my Boomer parents, and nearly all Boomers I've met other than underclass blacks, is that public transit is a vector of crime. Even after the massive reduction of crime from its 1990s peak, they still perceive they will be mugged and that the criminal class uses transit to access suburbs. The Cleveland transit system is actually rather innovative, but its management is thoroughly corrupt. $100 million was spent building a spur line to the sportsball stadium."

As for public transit being a "pipeline" for degenerates, that's a fantasy. Criminals tend to stick to neighborhoods where they don't stick out TOO much. Why? Because they're likely to be noticed as unusual in other kinds of neighborhoods, and people in higher income areas are much more likely to call the cops on strange looking young men prowling the area (and most criminals tend to look like criminals; people aren't stupid about noticing, esp. WRT men noticing male psychopaths). Before modern police forces, male family members and neighbors would band together to confront the interloper, or use stronger tactics if necessary.

I've heard dumbass Boomers claim that public transit stations and expansion by default lowers property values and brings in the wrong kinds of people. It just smacks of elitism and ignorance. Germany once did (or still does) use it's general rail and bus lines as a school transit system. Imagine that. German children, once they reached elementary school age, were expected to learn the system and be able to ride it without a chaperone, once the parents felt the child was comfortable doing so.

I think that Anglosphere Boomers are incredibly private minded and paranoid about the perception of public safety (surveys consistently show that people have been exaggerating the threat of crime for 20 years at this point). They hate higher density development and mass transist, which they feel impinges on the agency and safety of any given person.

I believe that studies have shown that once you account for income and education, there's weak to non-existent correlation between pop. density and crime. Crime levels in the densest region of America (the Mid-Atlantic), at any given point in time, have never greatly surpassed crime levels of the Western US, when you adjust for demographic factors (race, income ,and education). Moynihan's Law of the Canadian Border reveals that the older and denser regions of America, which are generally further to the North, tend to be better functioning than the newer and more Southern parts of America, which have very sprawling development. And once you 86'd immigrants and blacks from the Northeast and Great Lakes Midwest, these regions would go back to having the pleasant and safe reputation that they enjoyed prior to the Great Migration and the Ellis Island days.

Feryl said...

I share my generations love for trains, but not the high cost of building them. China has been able to do it by writing up a large amount of debt and authoritarian power to remove obstacles. The trains in liberal democratic India are far behind schedule. I will be amazed if the California rail project is finished by 2035, its best hope is that the state becomes an independent country and the new leadership sees it as a vanity project.

Car based society is also extremely expensive for both the collective public purse (upkeep of roads and bridges, investigating and cleaning up accidents), and to the individual who has to pay for his car and it's insurance.

Boomers have fought tooth and nail to deride mass transit as an expensive boondoggle, as if car ownership doesn't impose massive costs on everyone. Oh, but......Everybody drives, right? It's a self-fulfilling prophecy; the more that Boomers inveigh against the "madness" of expanding mass transit, the more limited and unreliable mass transit is, which alienates people from using it. As usual, Boomers are utterly hateful towards anything that would make society more equitable and less about The Individual. It would seem as if, in practice, many Boomers will gladly drive society off a cliff.....As long as they are alone and can do it on their terms.

Mr. Rational said...

The biggest deterrent to using mass transit in the US is the presence of ferals and criminals who are protected from behavior correction by "civil rights".

Feryl said...

Mr. Rational: Don't conflate racial issues with other stuff. The British annihilated their railways in the 1980's, at a time when Britain was like 93% white. The Silent And Boomer generation, in the English speaking countries, developed a hostility towards transportation infrastructure in the 1980's and 90's that's hard to explain.....Except when you look to the tendency of the Me Generation to run away from anything that doesn't immediately gratify and sanction greed, narcissism , and arrogance. Attacking infrastructure spending, and de-industrialization, are key aspects of the neo-liberal agenda.

Audacious Epigone said...

Feryl,

Public transport is pretty much done in an era of Uber, when--outside of major metropolitan areas--services like Uber and Lyft are so superior to public transportation in every way without being anything like as expensive as taxis.

Gabriel,

I wonder, in a global poll, if "white nationalists" or "Israelis" would fare better in terms of public perception.

I think I'm on board with you--real Jews can't be American because they should be in Israel, the fake Jews here in America should start owning being uber-privileged whites, and everyone else should recognize these distinctions.

Gabriel M said...

I wonder, in a global poll, if "white nationalists" or "Israelis" would fare better in terms of public perception.

Good question.

I think I'm on board with you--real Jews can't be American because they should be in Israel, the fake Jews here in America should start owning being uber-privileged whites, and everyone else should recognize these distinctions.

Not exactly, good Jews can't be Americans, because they are Jews. That doesn't mean that they can't live as obedient citizens of another country, just as, for example, the Druze community does in Israel. It's true that now we have a state they should move to Israel, but that's a slightly separate point. My basic point is that when goyim with partial Jewish ancestry (or none!) do bad things, Jews shouldn't be blamed and when Jews who do not practice or know anything about Judaism do bad things, Judaism Judaism shouldn't be blamed. I'm perfectly willing to own up to the bad behaviour of the Jewish people during the past 200 years and today. Facts are facts. But the solution, as in the days of Elijah, is national repentance, a return to the faith of our fathers, and the repudiation of foreign belief systems like liberalism. And there's no need to overegg the pudding by creating some eternal Jewish essence that is responsible for time Wise or Nancy Pelosi [!].