Tuesday, September 04, 2018

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Vox Day would say Colin Kaepernick is as American as Nike's sweatshop slaves are. Normally I'd be inclined to at least qualify that assertion, but today I'm perfectly happy to let it go. Buy New Balance.

One final twist of the shiv modest proposal with regards to the deified John McCain before I vow to never speak of him again--when the wall finally gets built, Trump should name it in McCain's honor. It's how the late quisling would've wanted it:



Such sincerity. "Hey ma, get off the dang roof!" That's how he saw all of us, as slack-jawed yokels. Enjoy Dante's inner circles, pal.

47 comments:

216 said...

https://twitter.com/TalithaDrgnfly/status/1036987838552842243

Lol, check her bio, "massage therapist". Convenient Euphemism.

Joe Suber said...

I'm supposed to come here and digest choice morsels from the GSS, not get the dank.

But I love it. And we shouldn't memory-hole that McVain ad about the "dang fence." We should project it on endless-loop against the Lincoln Memorial.

I vote for the kamakazi pilot. It stirs the soul as much as it is funny. All of 'em show how thrift store 3rd-hand cheap is that Apple-Nike-Coke SJW virtue signal.

Did you see Coke sponsored the free, state-approved, "Konzert gegen Rechts" to protest the guys who marched in Chemnitz? bleh.

216 said...

https://twitter.com/KatlinBellaw/status/1036968838745604096

Were this anything other than a left-wing fever dream, this would be a "late capitalism" masterpiece.

Boomer conservatives don't understand that the Zeds/Millenials in the military are just as pozzed as their peers outside of it. There's nothing patriotic about hero worshipping the military, real patriotism is getting self determination for heritage America.

Audacious Epigone said...

216,

Yeah, all we need now is an official statement from the military saying they support Kaepernick and Nike. That hasn’t happened yet, has it? Has it?

Joe,

I am working on something fairly large in collaboration with a well known figure on the dissident side of things, one who is controversial even on our side of the fence. So the quant posts will be a little lighter for awhile as they are pretty time consuming. Trolling is quicker—and more cathartic!

216 said...

AE,

The Joint Chiefs issued a public coup threat after Charlottesville, so it is certainly in their character. If we are to believe Bob Woodward, Chief of Staff John Kelly, Gen. (Ret.) issued a private coup threat.



https://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=69302

This guy publicly chided Kapernick two years back, and got a promotion to Ambassador. Anyone who voices dissident thoughts as an officer gets retired by Colonel, Mike Flynn was a social climber who got into politics when Obama didn't give him a fourth star.

silly girl said...

I have been meaning to take my son to buy new shoes for cross country. Guess what I won't be buying.

David Baker said...

Don't buy Nike nog clogs.

Sid said...

wrt Nike,

Get woke, go broke!

wrt McCain,

It blows me away how politicians make specific promises with no intention of ever delivering on them. I get that politicians will declare they want to get ten accomplishments done, but realistically can only do about three before they're a spent force - but it's indefensible to promise a border wall while plotting to undermine borders in every way imaginable.

Dan said...

Sid --

Right. To watch all the video of McCain railing against Obamacare was really amazing. The force and power of his demand that it be repealed... The man was truly a sociopath.

Obama was similar in the way he spoke in defense of traditional marriage on the campaign trail in 2008.

Regarding Nike...

My nine year old daughter has a pair of pretty baby blue Nikes. I had her try them on this morning to see if the need replacing. Unfortunately there is plenty of room still in the toes. I am not going to burn my daughter's shoes but I just tossed a Nike T-shirt in the trash.

Will be interesting to see where this leads. Will SJWs pick up the slack? It may come down to how long memories are. I boycotted General Mills cereal for my family when they did something SJW (I don't even remember the details) and that brand is gone forever for our house. Starbucks is gone forever. I will still not buy Nikes 20 years from now. Will SJWs prop up Nike in 20 years? I expect that negative PR for one side outweighs positive PR for another side.



Toddy Cat said...

What with big business going Left in the last few years, what with Nike going full retard and Levis backing Gun Comtrol, there is a YUGE opportunity for businesses who are right-wing, or even just apolitical, to step in and start selling stuff to Heritage Americans, who have LOTS of money. You are already seeing the beginnings of this. Just one more step in the ongoing division of the United States. The US came apart culturally about a decade ago, and economics is following. All that remains is the lagging indicator of politics.

silly girl said...

Off topic

Hey AE,

Have you done a post on GSS data and abortion and number of partners, or depression, mental health etc.?

Thanks

216 said...

Todd Cat,

Advertisers only care about two groups, 18-34 (consumables) and 25-54 (capital goods, like cars). After that brand loyalty is presumed ossified, and retirees typically have low disposable income. Support for the Right is concentrated among retirees. Support for Trump is probably no higher than 30-35% among youth and could be as low as 20%, and I doubt it could ever go above 50% even if he pulled off some miracles.

If you've been around the block here, you are probably aware of the BM/WF overrepresentation in ads. Is there an insidious conspiracy, possibly, but there are other reasons as well.
-It pisses us off, advertisers don't want to be associated with the Right
-It reflects liberal's Platonic ideal form for society
-It increases sales with blacks
-It fulfills diversity quotas

"Pisses us off" is the most relevant answer, everyone that commented on social media about how much they hate Nike for hiring the "flag hater" just gave Nike free advertising.

Agitate/Humiliate is their M.O.

Anonymous said...

@AE
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/09/04/nike-and-levis-strauss-political-business-strategy-the-much-bigger-geopolitical-and-trade-picture/

you may find this theory interesting

I like it because basically it means descendants of slaves are supporting and buying stuff from slave labor :):):) oh the schadenfreude

traitors first

Audacious Epigone said...

Dan,

I doubt SWPLs will pick up the Nike brand. It's pretty proleish for a white person to wear Nike and I don't think this is going to be enough to get that to change. It'll probably just make Nike even more of an underclass Sun People brand that gets stolen as often as it gets legitimately purchased (which is fine with Nike since it's the retailers who are taking the loss).

Dan/Toddy Cat,

New Balance is great. Quality shoes, durable, real manufacturing presence in the US and in Europe, privately held. Brand considerations on apparel are 90%+ image/status signaling so no reason not to make the change.

Anon,

Putting back in the community? Oh wait, those are the wrong colored slaves.

Audacious Epigone said...

silly girl,

The GSS doesn't ask respondents whether or not they've actually had abortions. That'd be pretty invasive. I wish the survey would, but it doesn't. Or are you just wondering about pro-choice beliefs?

Feryl said...

"Advertisers only care about two groups, 18-34 (consumables) and 25-54 (capital goods, like cars). After that brand loyalty is presumed ossified, and retirees typically have low disposable income. Support for the Right is concentrated among retirees. Support for Trump is probably no higher than 30-35% among youth and could be as low as 20%, and I doubt it could ever go above 50% even if he pulled off some miracles."

It's impossible to really gauge the views of younger people, who are extremely susceptible to peer pressure and concerns for their social standing and careers. So yeah, 70 yr old people are more willing to openly support Trump (also, elderly whites are still heavily motivated by "get the damn gubmint outta everything" type crap, whereas most X-ers and Millennials couldn't care less about cuck motivations for being conservative).

Plus, a lot of the virtue sniveling that you see with younger people is just empty posturing anyway, that'll dry up and blow away as soon as society moves on. Kinda like how around 1992, there was a campus culture hysteria over rape, whereas if you'd looked at campus culture in 1987 or 1998, people would be like "huh" if you said there was an epidemic of rape happening.

Feryl said...

Michael E. Capuano just lost his Boston congress seat.

Massachusetts’ 7th District has this ethnicity:

33.69% White
26.46% Black
10.71% Asian
21.55% Hispanic
0.39% Native American
7.20% other

Looking back at history, this region was represented by (if the surnames are to be believed) WASPs before 1920. Then Robert Maloney (Irish-Catholic) was elected.

I hope the dew-eyed Ellis Islanders are proud. Now they will start to know how WASPs felt in the 1920's and 1930's, when New Americans took over much of the Northeast, for the first time.....But not the last.

Cook PVI D+34[1]

Also, Capuano is 66. Like, nobody really cares anymore about the ostensible credentials of liberal Boomers. You had your chance, and you failed. Big time. Economic progressivism was completely interred in the 1990's, under the tutelage of "socially progressive, fiscally centrist" Boomer Dems (Republicans were already on board with the latter in the 80's, but there was a limit to what they could pass until the Dems joined the party in the 90's).

The Boomers didn't give us Eden, or even mid-century Peoria. Nope, they gave us Blade Runner.

216 said...

https://poll.qu.edu/florida/release-detail?ReleaseID=2524

I admit defeat here, Question 21 confirms the "cat lady Boomers" hate guns, and youth are more pro-gun.

Nonetheless, these numbers are bad, and the companion polls indicate a black socialist has the inside track to be Governor where he will annihilate the Constitution.

(Unscientific opinion) Women's stance on guns is similar to the immigration stance, invoking maternal feelings.

Rick Scott shivving gun owners might be enough to get him elected Senator with the votes of moderates.

Women suffrage was a mistake.

216 said...

I do appreciate how blacks are forcing Boomercons to choose between cucking or white identity politics. Also pushing the Right in an anti-corporate direction.

https://twitter.com/WinkWestwood/status/1036728535203897344


The sniveling contempt they display towards ordinary conservatives is sadly no longer being matched by the riotous mobs of 2012-16.

No Excuses said...

For more evidence of Vox Day being a moron, check out the way he's turned a huge segment of potential allies into enemies by trying to con people with his latest bonehead ComicsGate debacle. Much like his attempted forays into Science Fiction & GamerGate, he chooses to alienate a motivated, intelligent and receptive audience with clearly malicious and bad faith behavior.

Audacious Epigone said...

Feryl/216,

It keeps being spun, desperately, that while the district is majority-minority, the electorate is actually about 55% n-H white. Uh, it was a Democrat primary. Yeah, it's a lefty CD that goes 80% D in presidential elections, but there are Republicans there, and they're all white. So the D electorate had to have been less than 50% white. This is what the future holds. Fortunately for us, long before whites become a minority in the country, they will become a minority in the Democrat party. It offers a chance to turn things around.

No Excuses,

I've had some clips sent to me about that but I haven't followed it at all and am a couple weeks behind on my VD reading. Can you give the relevant elevator summation of what's going on?

Feryl said...

I don't think whites are finished, per se. But older whites and the dated ideology they are usually associated with are, on both the Left and Alt-Right.

Look, Hilary inspired nobody. Joe Biden? A stiff. These are establishment neo-liberal apparatchiks and/or leaders. I don't think Millennials care about:

1) Liberal (and cuck) bona fides from the 80's and 90's
2) The sentiment and narrative derived from the archetypal Boomer upbringing from the 50's, 60's, and 70's.

C'mon guys, People under 50 are way less trusting, way more psychologically under siege by things beyond their control(per the GSS, on the two times it was asked X-ers and Millennials were more likely to report feeling on edge than older generations).

We don't give a fuck about Ellis Islanders not being accepted by country clubs. How would older generations feel about being children after about 1972, when child abuse rose, divorce soared, women joined the workforce en masse, adults started prioritizing high social status (rather than the material and psychological well-being of the community), and so forth. It's no wonder we now have two+ generations suffering from PTSD. And we damn well know who sent us down this path: the narcissistic Me Generation, never has a generation done so little with so much that they had at the outset.

When inflation adjusted wages in many jobs are like 1/3-1/5 of what they were in the 70's, should we really listen to the Boomers who claimed that "hard work" did them so good, and "kids these days" need to shut up, bust their ass, and emulate the Boomer lifestyle and glib mentality? Where do these people get this BS from? Shit, I yearn for younger workers to just up and start walking out until they get treated better. Too bad that in today's dog eat dog climate, there's so little camaraderie or bravery left.

Let's be real: younger people have been given a raw deal their whole lives, but never were we supposed to fight back, barely even as individuals let alone as a team. This is in contrast to Boomers, who slid into the lap of luxury immediately yet bitterly lashed out at a society run by older people who "didn't understand me". Who cares? Society for the last 40+ years has let you called the shots and assuaged your massive egos. Enough is enough. Are you happy that post-Boomers are rife with depression and anxiety and alienation because they grew up in a "fast-paced" and increasingly callous world that did far too little to reward virtue and far too much to reward vice?

Feryl said...

"It keeps being spun, desperately, that while the district is majority-minority, the electorate is actually about 55% n-H white. Uh, it was a Democrat primary. Yeah, it's a lefty CD that goes 80% D in presidential elections, but there are Republicans there, and they're all white. So the D electorate had to have been less than 50% white.

I myself have made the "likely" or "proved" voter argument. But that's in the context of present elections, not the future. Post-1970 cohorts are successively far less white (and black) than older generations. The American Boomers were over 80% white; late 1960's births are nearly that %age. 1970's births are moderately more Asian/Hispanic/Arab, in turn 1980's births are more NWNB (not white not black), and so forth. 1990's and 2000's births will be the first generations in American history to have Asian and Latin populations that are astronomically higher than older generations. This matters. A lot.

A GOP fueled by supply-side economics and Xtian culture can be propped up by the heavily white 1960's cohorts for only so long. The "culture war" fought in the context of America's trad. demographics simply does not matter anymore. Movie studios, in the 80's and even 90's could "get away with" REALLY white casts, while having a fair number of token shows and movies for the "urban" (black) audience. Boomers and early X-ers need to wake up: America as it once was no longer exists, demographically and thus culturally. Asian drones and Mixtec stoics (and MENA neurotics) portend....Something.

Later generations of whites have been dealt a different kind of hand, and how we play it is informed by the demographics and circumstances surrounding us. It's just not good enough for us to tell the GOP: "keep our taxes low, and keep the government out of our business, literally and figuratively unless it's about stopping abortion". We've got to strengthen institutions to prevent the further atrophy of camaraderie and common sense safe guards. Gee, I understand that the Me Generation found prosperity and security to be so easy to come by that they gliby declared the greatest threat to be anyone who would dare impose the burden of social and collective responsibility upon their shoulders, but then again, it's not the 70's or 80's anymore. We can't exile ourselves from the duty of taking care of our tribe anymore. And we can't act like we draw power and peace of mind from the attacking of tribalism, as the
Boomers did in the 70's, 80's, and 90's.

The locus isn't Me anymore. It's the group, the nation.

Anonymous said...

A shame since I had just dusted off my old Air Jordans following Trump's "I like Mike" tweet at LeBron.

216 said...

Feryl,

The pattern for ten years, and longer in the Rust Belt, has been that if you quit, the employer can easily find someone off the street to replace you. The business press now complains about an inability to find workers, and also complains about a reluctance to raise wages. I've never heard of an executive reluctant to raise their own pay, or an executive reluctant to buyback stock.

During the pits of the recession this country was still admitting a relatively large number of legal foreign workers, while not undertaking the deportations of illegals at the level that FDR and Ike did. Perhaps its vestigial lolbertarianism in me, but I think that raising the minimum wage in 2007 did lower the number of unskilled labor jobs and delayed recovery. One admirable part of the recession was the increased regulation on mortgages and credit cards, but no regulations were put on student loans.

http://time.com/3211845/equal-opportunity-racial-realism/

I've referenced this work before, and anecdotes with Boomer managerial types seems to bear it out. Employers dislike blacks for fear of discrimination lawsuits, whites for complaining (unions?), and prefer the docility of Hispanics and the lower drug usage rates of Asians. Absent state intervention, the WWC stands no chance unless it downscales its expectations, instead they turned to opiates. Non-whites will rarely have sympathy. Boomercons (JD Vance is a Boomer in his head) want to signal against the wwc in order to gain the votes of "aspirational" non-whites.

In major corporate offices, unsure what % of the workforce is represented here, the insidious nature of affirmative action is at play. To an extent, formal quotas would be preferable to what exists now. No one is directly told they are a casualty of AA, and while someone can be suspected as a beneficiary, pointing it out means termination. There's also certain high-prestige employers that won't recruit outside of the elite universities, granting tremendous power to the admissions office gatekeepers.


The 2010 binge against the unions is coming back to bite the Right in the ass. It would be something to see this side of Trump make a return.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/339440503361773568

Mr. Rational said...

No Excuses:  Ethan van Sciver has already conceded the Comics Gate brand to VD.  EVS didn't originate the term and owns neither the trademark nor the website.  In a battle between EVS and VD, bet on VD; VD has a rapidly growing publishing house.  What does EVS have?

Can you give the relevant elevator summation of what's going on?

I can.  EVS tried to claim ownership of "Comicsgate".  VD proved that EVS didn't come up with the term and obviously hasn't tried to even take control of "comicsgate.com".  EVS folded.

More on the subject.

Anonymous said...

Fact: New Balance, located in Boston, operates five shoe factories in New England and employs thousands of Americans.

Nike which is headquartered on the outskirts of Portland, Oregon, Antifa capital of the world doesn't.

Maybe if Nike operated factories at their home base, Portland wouldn’t have such a bad homeless problem along with underemployed Antifa.

Zeroh Tollrants said...

I've been saying women shouldn't be able to vote for going on 3 decades now, and all that happens is my fellow women on BOTH sides of the aisle steadily attack me, along w/Their beta soy boy sycophants.
Pretty depressing. Even right wingers won't go there.

Jig Balance said...

This is quite straightforward to understand.

Nike has up until now been very unpopular with the hipster / progressive crowd, for two reasons:

1) They are associated with proles, in particular wiggers and hoods*

2) They have had bad publicity for their sweatshops and other corporate sleaze.

Nike is now trying to make a play for the untapped hipster / progressive / SJW market, and they think they can do so without alienating wiggers and the contingent of middle class whites who buys their stuff cuz they love sportsball. We shall see if they are successful.

Ironically, New Balance used to be the main brand that hipster / progressive / SJW types turned to in droves in order to avoid associating with Nike. Even now go around any academic department and anyone who is wearing athletic sneakers will be wearing New Balance or a more specialized running show. Now, New Balance might become the refuge of the right and Nike the brand of choice for SJWs.


*It is easy to forget that until very recently hipsters really looked down on hoods in favor of talented tenth types.

Anonymous said...

I don't think the brave confederates belong on this list with charles Manson. If nothing else, the same Founders who gave us the first and second amendments would have overwhelmingly sided with the South in that dispute.

Feryl said...

"Employers dislike blacks for fear of discrimination lawsuits, whites for complaining (unions?), and prefer the docility of Hispanics and the lower drug usage rates of Asians. Absent state intervention, the WWC stands no chance unless it downscales its expectations, instead they turned to opiates. Non-whites will rarely have sympathy. Boomercons (JD Vance is a Boomer in his head) want to signal against the wwc in order to gain the votes of "aspirational" non-whites."

*blacks are a pain in the ass, no matter how you slice it.
**whites are more extroverted and intimidating than Asians and mestizos.
***Asians and Mestizos haven't had enough time to be disgruntled; they may take a while longer than more extroverted groups, but eventually they too will start to realize how toxic Western neo-liberalism is.

Yes, stuff like drugs is used as ammo against whites. The thing is that Western elites turned on native born whites in the 70's and 80's, for all kinds of reasons of varying validity. Young Boomers back then developed a reputation as difficult and self-absorbed, which helped spark the retaliation. Also, the late 1970's is when Leftist movements in Asia and Latin America "softened up", which made corporate America optimistic that they could start off-shoring jobs and importing workers, which they did moderately in the 70's and 80's. But not until the early 90's did corporate America even envision a world that the US so dominated that off-shoring and immigration rates would dramatically intensify in the absence of threats to the US world order.

The social mood among white and black Americans steeply declined from the 70's-90's, coinciding with the early stages of elite abandonment of the commons. These same elites rout the well-being of lower class Americans, then self-servingly claim that this state was inevitable because lower class people are stupid and lazy. We went from having a "great society", full of joy and gleaming new stuff, to an America that was run-down, forlorn (Agnostic has said that aesthetic of "urban decay", which also affected small towns and older suburbs, BTW, is an important aspect of the Gen X psyche).

The whole "super power" thing is a joke. There was no "end of history"; there was the point at which Western elites totally abandoned the idea of well balanced prosperity and security in favor of elitism and the race to the bottom. The bottom seems to get lower and lower with each passing regime of Western rulers, with May, Merkel, and the Bush/Obama twosome being an embarrassing farce actively conspiring to thwart the will of Western voters tired of being sold out by happy talk spouting neo-liberal sops.

Thank God the younger generations don't fall for the sentimental and corrupt crap, about investing one's entire life and being into besting other people in the race to accumulate money and status. A study said that 1992 was when teenagers reported that they were having a harder time sleeping; we bear the wounds of the "pressure" culture, the competition to be the best and have the best.

And the GOP nihilism that we should all retreat to the mountains and forsake any large attempt to better society as a whole is never going to fix what's gone wrong with us since the 70's. Christ, no wonder things don't get better; it's not as if they actually, ya know, tried since the 80's to bring back what even they accepted in the 1930's-1960's.

216 said...

Feryl,

The crisis of the 1970s was stagflation, monetarism and union busting were brought in to solve it, and unusually for politics it worked like a charm.

US-backed authoritarian regimes (Iran, Spain, Portugal, Rhodesia, Latin America) were falling or severely challenged (Korea, South Africa), and we created a temporary solution to the energy crisis via more efficient cars and Alaska/North Sea oil. We lost Iran and Portuguese Africa, but flipped Egypt and China. We came close to seeing India flip, and we still feel the echoes of that fear with the stampede of H-1Bs and Indian professionals surging into Anglo nations.

Interesting thinking that self-absorbed Boomers caused the elite to turn on the natives, Algerians have proven just as troublesome as the May 1968 rioters in France. The problem with this theory was the UK decision to allow in immigration starting with Atlee, and the decision to use GATT as a bribe to convince other countries to stay in the Western bloc at the cost of American jobs. Not to mention the decision to allow Japan to steal intellectual property, in order so they wouldn't go communist. In loco parentis was also weakened in the universities, only to reappear just recently with the sexual assault "crisis". Perhaps a point in your favor that state support to the universities was weakened, but more people were encouraged to go to university for job prospects.

snorlax said...

216 -

Funny definition of "US-backed" since that's a list of regimes USG denounced, sanctioned or aided the opposition to during the 1970s. "RedGov-backed" or "US-ought-to-have-backed" or "anti-Soviet" would be more accurate descriptors.

Audacious Epigone said...

216,

A good sign close to home. Trump Republicanism is the only Republicanism that has a chance.

Mr. Rational,

Thanks!

Anon,

Indeed. Buy New Balance. Shoes are 90% image, anyway. There's nothing objective that recommends Nike products.

Zeroh,

Married, property-owning (or positive net worth at the very least) family unit votes, exclusively. Maybe an exception of widowers/widows.

Jig,

Very well put, thanks.

This is a microcosm of the shifts in the American political landscape. Nike is the ultimate Evil Capitalist company--exploiting overseas slave labor at the expense of American workers, charging exorbitant prices for shoddy products where most of the value is in "image", directing its appeal at the people most hurt by buying into it (i.e. poor blacks and browns), jumping on whatever cultural fad will facilitate all this, etc.

The Old Left would be horrified, but the Old Left is gone.

Anon,

Or Hitler, Mussolini, Jones, or anyone else. But the broader thrust is turning it around on the cultmarx left and it does that. Stay on the offensive!

Random Dude on the Internet said...

Great timing, I needed new running shoes and instead of going for Nike like I've been doing since ever (since Nike was the cool brand), I got New Balance shoes instead.

Feryl said...

"The crisis of the 1970s was stagflation, monetarism and union busting were brought in to solve it, and unusually for politics it worked like a charm."

Yes, the response to the "crisis" of the 70's (which was nowhere near as serious as the Great Depression, or the post-2008 Too Big to Fail stuff) was to start chipping away at labor protection measures that elites had implemented in the 1920's-1940's. This about face wasn't needed to resolve economic problems, but as soon as the economy boomed in 1983, the Me Generation mostly bought into anti-big gubmint/anti-welfare state/anti-union ideology. And starting in the late 70's, elites have consistently claimed that the problems of the 70's were the result of New Dealism, which had to be torn down.

"US-backed authoritarian regimes (Iran, Spain, Portugal, Rhodesia, Latin America) were falling or severely challenged (Korea, South Africa), and we created a temporary solution to the energy crisis via more efficient cars and Alaska/North Sea oil. We lost Iran and Portuguese Africa, but flipped Egypt and China. We came close to seeing India flip, and we still feel the echoes of that fear with the stampede of H-1Bs and Indian professionals surging into Anglo nations."

Agnostic consistently points out that throughout the world, the Silents and Boomers of each nation began to throw their weight behind "centrists", and "market-oriented" reformers, in the late 70's (it didn't always happen immediately, but by the mid-90's neo-liberalism was EVERYWHERE). So too did the level of sanctimonious rhetoric get dialed way up. From the 1920's-1960's, public figures generally did not discuss moral or religious issues in a sensational away, to the extent that they were discussed at all. People preferred to have rational and productive discourse about how to make the world better in a material sense, spiritual and moral issues were secondary. The thing is, most people were so culturally conservative during that time that it wasn't considered necessary to boast about your moral credentials. It was taken for granted that most people did the right thing, and it was left at that. That's the polar opposite of the moral sanctimony that Millennials grew up hearing from Boomer adults. During our lives, people have been very trashy on a moral and cultural level, which spurs people to soap box about promoting the right "values". Since in the neo-liberal era, the emphasis is on "freedom" but not responsibility, a lot of people don't get the right signals anymore. Boomers claim that most people stink on a character level, without realizing that they themselves turned the culture decadent by promoting neo-liberalism that emphasizes freedom but not responsibility or civic duty. The obnoxious sanctimony ends up alienating people rather than lifting everyone up. People need to have a rational sense of, "is this good for me and everyone else in the long run"? that comes from a progressive era, not be subjected to scathing moral judgements from hot-headed assholes which is what happens in a reactionary and corrupt era.

216 said...

Feryl,

Is it feasible that a Bretton Woods II could be created? I've always loathed the idea that a Soros type can rake in huge gains by using the currency market to wreck economies.

I do think there are valid reasons for pushing back against welfare statism. The existence of the welfare state tends to cause an increase in the underclass, and a spread of the underclass value system into the middle class. Anglo individualism tends to be suspicious of duties rendered to the state, "republican virtue" is a dead letter in the present day US. By contrast continental Europe imposes things like a duty to render aid to strangers, and a duty to care for the elderly parents.

As we've seen with SNAP, the GOP only puts on a show at cutting this (visible) program. Enrollment is still in excess of the pre-recession levels, and at twice the rate of the lowest level recorded in 2000. The farmers will not give up their subsidy without a fight. Given the Right's nature to favor an idyllic rural life, its hard to accept that First World farmers are one of the biggest obstacles to the national cause. Their self-interested stance in favor of protectionism is rarely extended to the whole economy, and tariffs on food remove the labor advantage of Third World exports. Instead the same farmer turns around and hires the Third World labor here.

Mr. Rational said...

AE, update on Comicsgate:  VD has ceded the Comicsgate imprint to anyone who wants it.  He already has Castalia House Comics, Arkhaven and Dark Legion, he doesn't need another imprint and he's more than willing to dump something he doesn't need to take the wind out of the sails of people threatening legal action.  Most likely it's just threats and he'd most likely win if it's not, but "it's yours if you can take it, now put up or shut up" is pretty damn good strategy.

As a consequence of this, the latest printing of the Gun Ghoul comic with the CG imprint is going to be even more of a collector's item.  If I were a collector I'd be all over this.

WRT footgear, I have been VERY disappointed with recent Minnetonka product.  The rubber-soled versions do not have the uppers sewn to the inner soles; they are only attached by the molded rubber outer sole, which is not very strong.  I had one moccasin fail along several inches of this seam after only one winter of use.  AVOID!

No Excuses said...

Unfortunately, Mr. Rational's take is rather characteristically biased by the reality-distortion that Vox exerts on sycophants.

The actual situation is that in mid-2017 Comicsgate began as a result of YouTubers Diversity & Comics, Ethan Van Sciver, YellowFlash, JohnDelArroz, and others. Vox quickly saw what was happening here and moved to position himself to take advantage of the emerging political situation.

Previously, Vox has attempted to present himself as a leading figure in Science Fiction literature, which quite evidently failed. Just a few months earlier, Vox had attempted to present himself as an veteran game designer during the GamerGate scandal. Now, anyone who actually follows games can see Vox is neither a gamer nor a game developer, but Vox saw GamerGate as a platform for increasing his reach and influence, which it could have been. However, by acting in bad faith, pretending to be what he is not, and generally being arrogant & unpleasant his attempts to infiltrate GamerGate were roundly rejected.

ComicsGate was new though and presented an opportunity to Vox to represent himself as a meaningful leading figure in ComicsGate getting in at the ground level. It's to his credit that he identified that ComicsGate would be a real ongoing issue (at least, to the extent that there would be any pushback against the SJWs who have corrupted basically every institution in the West).

In late 2017 he started his own Alt-Hero comics crowdfunding to produce a few amateur-hour quality books. While I can generally agree with the goal of using comics to promote traditional & nationalistic values, Vox's comics were simply inferior propagandistic junk. That he was willing to attach his name to such low quality work in itself is fine, although rather misses the point of creating alternative media in the first place. FIRST, you make something BETTER than the trash the mainstream serves up. You entice people with quality.

Fast forward 1 year to now, and we have Vox Day a mostly-irrelevant figure in comics producing substandard work, while the guys who started Comicsgate are now mostly kicking his ass with their own crowdfunding projects and producing quality that is well-above-par.

No Excuses said...

Vox concocts a plan to start selling comics under the label "Comicsgate" - A transparently hostile move to try and wrest control over the Comicsgate movement, a movement he had virtually no interaction with, from its 10,000 or so core fans. He claims this is to provide benefit to Comicsgate, but is quite clearly just a move to try and trick people into buying comics from Vox Day. Moreover, he directly threatened people who were upset by this chump move of a bruised ego. He spouts off a few lines of bullshit, and then quits his own stream because he can't handle the vitriol.

As per usual Vox modus operandi, the fact that his plan backfired in his face is something he touts as a great victory for himself. I have to admit, this is actually one of Vox's somewhat positive characteristics, because sometimes spinning a complete and total loss into a victory is all about attitude.

Unfortunately, this same tendency means Vox can't accurately self-assess, and in general he is a poor judge of the quality or effectiveness of his actions. From the perspective of a third party who wants to see traditionalism & nationalism succeed, Vox is a liability due to his inability to self-assess. He pulls stunt after stunt to try and raise his own profile (did anyone ever think calling John Scalzi "McRapey" was ever witty or clever at all? I sincerely hope not), but they always play out pathetic, immature, and ineffective.

Contrary to the claims of his complete victory, today Vox backed off of using the Comicsgate label name after actual lawyers took him to school on the law and revealed his claims about the law were based on (again) amateur-hour understanding.

Prior to this whole incident I'd been considering picking up Vox's fantasy novel to check out, but after he's so clearly demonstrated that he has no one's interests in mind but merely wants to stroke his own ego, I simply can't stomach the thought of giving him a dime. I'm hoping people finally wake up to what a charlatan this guy is, because he's a perfect embodiment of the type of self-destructive vanity that always corrupts and destroys people on our side.

Jig Sneakers said...

This is a microcosm of the shifts in the American political landscape. Nike is the ultimate Evil Capitalist company--exploiting overseas slave labor at the expense of American workers, charging exorbitant prices for shoddy products where most of the value is in "image", directing its appeal at the people most hurt by buying into it (i.e. poor blacks and browns), jumping on whatever cultural fad will facilitate all this, etc.

The Old Left would be horrified, but the Old Left is gone.


Damn AE, that is freaking on point!

Let me chase down something a little deeper related to SWPLs / hipsters nowadays, because they are obviously the target audience for Nike in this move. SWPLs / hipsters have up until now looked down on -ALL- prole aspects of American culture, including low class black culture.

This consistency is some of what has made SWPLdom / hipsterdom appealing and also a cultural force. You can hate their politics, but in the past ~20 years hipsters / SWPLs have not only revolutionized food, alcohol, coffee, urban areas, and many other things for the better, they were the main ones providing alternatives to sportsball worship, reality TV / MTV worship, and a lot of other cultural things that have actually been since adopted by the dissident right. The dissident right or whatever you want to call it owes SWPLs / hipsters a lot, and not just Gavin McInnes.

However when you are explicitly against prole culture, in America that unavoidably means being implicitly against black culture a lot of the time. Perhaps the ad wizards at Nike have realized the fundamental contradiction of this with the SWPL / hipster political orientation. Nike thinks that SWPLs / hipsters can be made to be the new wiggers, and maybe they need someone to replace the old wiggers because the old wiggers have sort of faded away anyway. It's a gamble, but it might work.


This is bigger than Nike of course. I have already mentioned that New Balance has been a hipster / SWPL brand but now may have an influx of huwhite customers. Will they be able to maintain their hipster / SWPL customers when huwhiutes start wearing their sneakers? Probably not.

But then there is the biggest cultural fish. It will be amazingly ironic if the NFL / NBA / NCAA manage to fully alienate the middle and working class suburban whites that have been their base, only to replace them with SWPLs / hipsters, who themselves would be drawn to them because they are hated by middle and working class whites. Watch for what happens with the Washington Redskins - if they change their name then that is a sign that big sportsball has decided that the transition is inevitable.


Lastly though, it is sad to lose SWPLs / hipsters as the force keeping a cultural check on prole taste.

Audacious Epigone said...

Jig,

Almost a decade ago I outlined a post that would evaluate each of the hundreds of things white people (SWPLs) liked as identified by Christian Lander on a metric of social good/desirability. I never got around to finishing it, but it was clear that most of the those typically SWPL (i.e. hipster) things are good, some are neutral, and only a handful are bad. Compare that to WWC and SWPLs win easily. And then compare it to the black underclass and oh boy! Thomas Sowell deals with some of this in his book Black Rednecks and White Liberals.

Audacious Epigone said...

No Excuses,

Thanks for an opposing perspective. I have enough working knowledge to follow developments from here.

You were going to buy VD's recent book, though? Really?

Ja D said...

Hilarious. Laughter is an important part of life.

Feryl said...

Group think in action. I think that a lot of society's sectors are full of 20-40 year old SJWs, who came of age post-Clinton, and are accustomed to being in liberal echo chambers and demonize their opponents as a small niche of losers out in the hinterlands. Since they don't know any strong conservatives, or even vocal moderates, it never dawns on them that championing an bratty SJW doofus like Kaepernick could really backfire. There are older people at these places that have some power, but they feel compelled by the SJW mob to take greater action for the SJW cause. So the shot callers at Nike figure that their going to cash in on some sort of hip "rebel" that tons of people can get behind as a kind of folk hero. It's not unlike Disney or whatever suddenly giving directing jobs to women and blacks. Maybe their heart's not really in it, but given that well-educated people in th eir 20's and 30's (who are likely the only kind of youth that elite older people encounter) all want their SJW dreams fulfilled, then gosh, why not go full SJW with your business practices and PR?

BTW, I know that there are younger conservatives. But this is easy to overlook when "respectable" culture, as of 2012, was no longer permitting dissent of radical liberalism. How can their echo chambers be infiltrated when conservatives will on longer speak their minds lest someone bust their car windows or their head?

No Excuses said...

AE,

It's been on my radar to read for awhile, and I've been reading VD's blog for years. I think it'd be interesting to compare VD's writing to say, GRRM who I've grown to dislike over the years, and the past few bad books from him.
It feels really hard to justify reading him now, given that he's clearly declared war on -- Well, basically everyone except himself. There are a lot of books to read, so I'm not sure whether I'll ever give money to someone who expressly acts to harm things I like (and when it comes to politics - damages things I believe in at the same time).

Anonymous said...

@AE
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