Sunday, September 09, 2018

Don't allow buggers unsupervised access to boys

Pat Buchanan on the crisis of the Catholic church:
For too long, the Catholic faithful have been forced to pay damages and reparations for crimes and sins of predator priests and the hierarchy’s collusion and complicity in covering them up.

And it needs be stated clearly: This is a homosexual scandal.
The percentage of men, by sexual orientation, who do not deem it always morally wrong for 14 year-olds to have sex. Responses are from 2008 through 2016 (N = 2,649):


The question implies those being inquired about are roughly the same age, but if it is acceptable for an 18 year-old and a 38 year-old, why not a 14 year-old and a 34 year-old?

Allowing gay men private access to teenage boys is a really bad idea, an idea considerably worse even than giving heterosexual men private access to teenage girls. Buggers are often emotionally neotenous. Self-restraint, especially when it comes to sensual debauchery, is not a virtue male homosexuals tend to possess.

Giving sodomites bishoprics is akin to selecting the most dissolute heterosexual middle-aged men around and putting them in close, private contact with teenage girls whom they have power and authority over and hoping nothing bad will come of it.

GSS variables used: TEENSEX(1), SEX(1), SEXORNT

34 comments:

Jig Bohnson said...

AE did you read the Pennsylvania report, or the NY Times victim oped? Surprising number of female victims and heterosexual predators. It is not accurate to call this a strictly gay scandal.

Audacious Epigone said...

Jig,

I've not found any sources suggesting that even close to half of the abuse was heterosexual in nature. This comes straight from the actual report:

Most of the victims were boys; but there were girls too.

Given that homosexuals comprise around 2% of the population, that suggests at minimum the abuse is 5,000% more likely to be homosexual than heterosexual in nature relative to the population at large.

The write ups and the media pictures are typical media mendacity. I've talked to a lot of people in the church about this over the years and it is known to be a primarily homosexual issue.

DissidentRight said...

Excellent post. Unfortunately, both the particular institutional structure and particular doctrines of the Roman church have made them a magnet for enterprising faggots. It is hard to imagine the Roman church escaping this calamity without a major schism.

Anyway, as usual, the "noble" homos fell into the trap of identity politics when they should have been the ones blowing the whistle most loudly. Remind me again why anyone on the Right should give a damn about "homosexual marriage" if the gays aren't going to police their own?

Hippie Speedball said...

I have little use for xtianity, but I give it a pass as instrumental to Western civ. The legacy, it seems to me, now contributes to much of the worldview that is the cause of Western civ's suicide. Hell, the churches are on the front lines importing invaders.

There is no way to rehabilitate the church at this point, and, while I have no enemies to the right, I don't get the tradcath thing at all. The Catholic church is where it is, and there is more fruitful work to do elsewhere. Let it die just like the Nazi party.

Ultimately, we have to build new stuff if we're going to carry the torch of Western civ.

Anonymous said...

To be fair, how much of this is more a case of gay men thinking about gay sex and straight people thinking about straight sex.

In the latter, it may involve a 14 year old girl. And we all know that pregnancy and female promiscuity complicate the moral considerations there.

Remove the girl and the moral considerations change.

Now the really interesting question is to ask both straight and gay people, is it wrong for a 14 year old boy to have sex with say a 25 year old man, is it wrong for a 14 year old girl to have sex with a 25 year old man and is it wrong for a 14 year old boy to have sex with a 25 year old woman. Maybe most interesting would be asking just gay and straight men if it's wrong for a 14 year old girl to have sex with a 25 year old woman. (I bet the difference would be a lot smaller for that last one.)

snorlax said...

AE -

Per the 2016 CNN exit poll,[1] self-reported gays (technically, LGBTs) were 5% of the voting public, which I assume is reasonably representative of the general public.[2] Since many gays (such as, for example, all gay priests) are closeted, it's probably more in the range of 7 to 10%.

[1] Juxtaposed to this amusing question.
[2] Per the Census Bureau, 61.2% of citizens voted.

Joseph Suber said...

Maybe the great unmentionable is that it turns them gay. It's how "gay," something you'd think was heavily selected against, gets passed on. More than chemicals in the water, more than pride parades, getting molested during those early teen years by an older man seems to be a thing. Milo and Takei talked about it on air (with grossly different results). And it is the chief thing that makes all this gay acceptance pc bullshit a lie.

216 said...

O/T

Interesting thread

https://twitter.com/j_arthur_bloom/status/1038494774871908352

Anonymous said...

One thing I've wondered about for years: why did so many victims and *their parents* remain silent for the years and years this has been going on?

Why would parent(s) accept hush money if their kid, boy or girl, had been molested? How many more victims have their been because the earlier ones remained silent for 30 pieces of silver?

Randy priests are one thing; selling one's silence about a felony and a different issue.

XVO said...

I had sex when I was 15 with another 15 year old, I still think that is okay. If it'd been a year earlier would I be on that chart? That's not really telling you much if so. I don't care if teenagers have sex with other teenagers, what we care about is if adults have sex with children.

Feryl said...

"Maybe the great unmentionable is that it turns them gay. It's how "gay," something you'd think was heavily selected against, gets passed on. More than chemicals in the water, more than pride parades, getting molested during those early teen years by an older man seems to be a thing. Milo and Takei talked about it on air (with grossly different results). And it is the chief thing that makes all this gay acceptance pc bullshit a lie."

Nobody is "turned" gay. I think that there's a range of gay "classes".

1) The flamers who were really "born that way". They tend to be very nerdy and/or effeminate. They hate sports and love girly stuff, and have really high and often lispy voices.

2) A much smaller number of highly masculine gays who were "born that way". Like Freddy Mercury. Or Troy Aikman (who's never vocally denied being gay) or Aaron Rodgers (who's had a series of beard girl friends, and had a male "assistant" conspicuously present during his college and early pro days, said assistant posted pictures online as proof of the relationship). Some people think these "rumors" are nuts, but that's because they think that every gay guy acts like Milo. Not the case. The vast majority of successful straight men should at some point have a wife and have kids. There are exceptions to this, but it's rare. I do think the majority of successful "bachelors"/childless guys are closeted gays. Of course there are also gay guys who go through with marriage and kids for PR purposes, and perhaps they really do want kids but also want the public to think that they are "normal".

3) Here's where things get tricky: nominally "straight" men who, out of sexual frustration or poor impulse control, decide to "experiment". This sort of thing typically stops after a certain age or point. Probably when you stop being as physically attractive or catch a disease. Or just are less horny. Believe it or not, I've heard gay guys say that, pre-fag marriage, they saw guys at gay bathouses with wedding rings. Note that the "down low" thing is most common among blacks, who have the biggest sex drives.

One of Mick Jagger's old girl friends has always swore that she caught Mick and David Bowie in bed. Rick Derringer in the 70's hung out with Andy Warhol and he's never outright denied that he did gay stuff back then. Billy Squier made a really GAY video in 1984 that ended his career (pastel bed sheets and shaved armpits, at a time when only body builders did that), and I once read that his friends knew he "fooled around" before the AIDS epidemic.

Of course, the AIDS epidemic hit Boomers hardest. It wouldn't surprise me if, in the decadent 70's, when you had a massive population of over-sexed young people being told that STDs were no big thing, that some young guys were messing around.

Feryl said...

Also Joe, WRT George Takei he "molested" an effeminate young actor. Adult gays, for obvious reasons, target boys who are light in the loafers.

Molestation might screw someone up, but in the case of men doing it to boys, there's a chance the boy was gonna be gay anyway.

Audacious Epigone said...

DissidentRight,

Running this formula over and over again is not going to produce different results. No homosexuals in the clergy. We're to the point where, with enough pre-screen digging, it'll be hard for most to hide.

Hippie Speedball,

Yes, on the one hand the churches--nearly every Protestant denomination, Mormonism, and Catholicism--are on the front lines of the refugee racket. On the other, church attenders/believers are less likely to be on the loony left than non-Christians are.

The tradCaths like that the structure and the hierarchy and the scale are all already there. If they take over the institution, they've taken over a powerful institution.

Anon,

Fair enough, but this isn't an isolated question in terms of the gay response. I'm going to do a follow-up to this one. Gays are more permissive on every question about sexuality.

snorlax,

Maybe, though that seems high to me. Exit polls regularly overstate the representation of smaller groups because of how they start with assumptions about demographic slices and then work to realize those assumptions. The GSS, with a sample of 9,300, puts it at 1.7% gay and 2.1% bisexual. And the B is important, too, especially wrt gay men, since women are more than twice as likely to be bisexual as men are. And most bisexual women have children whereas most bisexual men do not. In other words, female bisexuals probably shouldn't be considered "gay", at least not the majority of them.

Joe,

Open that one up! It's what we live for here.

Anon,

Yeah, that resonates with me. After digging into this a little today, I talked to my 4 yo letting him know that no matter what he thinks or what anyone else says to him, if anyone ever touches him in an inappropriate way he should tell daddy and daddy will make sure that person NEVER has contact with him again. Dad will then ideally go to the authorities to report the incident but will more likely be reminding himself, in real time, that violence is golden.

XVO,

If sex is okay between two 14 yos, and sex is okay bw an 18 yo and a 40 yo, then why is sex bw a 14 yo and 40 yo not okay? The explanation is pretty flimsy.

Feryl,

Are a lot of incels today gay? As the name suggests, I don't think they are. Does the unmarried=closeted gay have better mileage a generation or two ago than it does today?

What you put forth isn't implausible intellectually, but it's difficult for me to buy it because I've never had a gay impulse in my life. If I go through the prison life thought experiment, I'm positive I'd just masturbate.

216 said...

AE,

If women are twice as bisexual at the rates than men are, is there a number of "bicurious" males that don't identify that way?

The proverbial incel doesn't live in a prison with other men, and specifically desires the emotional companionship which is why they don't use prostitutes. I guess its feasible that some of them could be induced into being gay, but men don't seem to identify as incel until the end of adolescence, gays tend to recruit earlier than that. The left would also see it as "problematic" to be openly "recruiting" incel men because it weakens the "born this way" argument. Reactions to Incel result in a weird "bootstraps" argument from the left that they otherwise never use.

Related note, the GOP lost 4-1 among deviants in the US in the exit polls, the corresponding UK data seems hard to find. The simple answer would be that as gay marriage recedes from debate, that the center-right should improve here.

216 said...

This was a surprise to me, the Labour youthquake in the UK election last year was female dominated.

https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/how-britain-voted-2017-election

Feryl said...

"Are a lot of incels today gay? As the name suggests, I don't think they are. Does the unmarried=closeted gay have better mileage a generation or two ago than it does today?"

I mean in terms of successful men. That's the catch. Marriage has been declining with each successive generation because of AFF issues. But obviously, that's irrelevant to big shots.

"What you put forth isn't implausible intellectually, but it's difficult for me to buy it because I've never had a gay impulse in my life. If I go through the prison life thought experiment, I'm positive I'd just masturbate."

Well, you aren't a pervert who came of age in the 60's and 70's, when teens and young adults were told that only stuffy older people were against doing drugs and having tons of sex. There are too many cases of Boomer men "experimenting", or "alternating", for me to reject the idea that 'no' straight man would ever fool around.

Also, what kind of judgement would you have if you spent one night after another partying, getting high, and getting drunk? Us millennials (thankfully) can't relate to that "lifestyle". I need to blog about the GSS's drinking variable. IN the mid-2000's, Boomers reported having drank alcohol more frequently than older and younger generations. Many Boomers have 'aged out of' destructive behavior at a much slower rate than other generations. Seriously, "we" all know that you might've been in idiot in college, but at some point you grow up.

Feryl said...

"The proverbial incel doesn't live in a prison with other men, and specifically desires the emotional companionship which is why they don't use prostitutes. I guess its feasible that some of them could be induced into being gay, but men don't seem to identify as incel until the end of adolescence, gays tend to recruit earlier than that. The left would also see it as "problematic" to be openly "recruiting" incel men because it weakens the "born this way" argument. Reactions to Incel result in a weird "bootstraps" argument from the left that they otherwise never use."


I like how you bring up "emotional" aspect of things. You sound like a normal person, not a sex crazed maniac. The Millennials on here may want sex, but they aren't sociopathic or depraved about it. They think about feelings, and personalization. Whereas if we were young Boomers in the 70's, we'd sound and act like ferocious beasts of lust, who would try anything to get off.

Child abuse researcher David Finkelhor says that there have been dramatic declines in sexual deviance since the mid-late 90's (except for lesbian experimentation). This would coincide with middle aged Gen X-ers and young Millennials being much less prone to deviancy than young-middle aged Boomers. And girls fooling around with girls is hardly on the same scale as forcible rape and child abuse.

Of course for our cohort, the first decade we tend to identify with is the 1980's, when pot smoking declined, hitch hiking declined, and signs of sexual abnormality were attacked often on the grounds that children could be harmed by it. Also the decade when "serial killer" became a house hold term, and every other movie had a maniac being let loose from prison or an insane asylum.

Joseph Suber said...

@Feryl, I'll agree with your spectrum, but even the light-in-the-loafers kids have a chance to shake it off and turn straight. That goes out the window when some dick takes advantage of them. Then they never get it out of their head. If society starts praising them for being gay, then the P O Z has claimed another victim, who will likely go on to screw up some other kid's chance at being a fully realized human being.

Adolescence stretches out before the male teenager as a vast quest for pussy and identity. The greatest portion of modern homos are kids that gave up on what seemed like an interminable quest or were diverted from the hetero path by some older bastard. Your celebrity examples and even Oscar Wilde were living a few standard deviations out from the norm, where drugs and oversupply make pussy boring for them. Our culture should function for people in the solid part of the bell-curve. Faggotry can and should be made fun of and shunned.

Porn is gay too.

snorlax said...

AE -

Gallup has it at 4.5% of the population as of 2017, and, notably, 8.2% of Millennials. The GSS is old data; there's been a massive shift in social acceptance of homosexuality even relative to 10 years ago, which has resulted in many more gays leaving the closet. My guess of 7-10% I'd say is reasonable and probably conservative.

Maus said...

Now this is a socio-cultural observation of yours with which I agree.
While study n=1 is weak statistically, the fact remains that I am a confirmed bachelor in my mid fifties who is decidely heterosexual. As we've established from my previous disclosure about essentially life-long obesity, I am not conventionally handsome and have had little success attracting the sort of beautiful women I'd actually like to f**k/marry. As I've aged, my friends have expressed their concern for my persistent single state by attempting to fix me up with many fat, homely (but often kind, witty and intelligent) women with zero success. It has never been the case that they have susequently switched to trying to set me up with a gay man. Though perhaps I flatter myself that allegedly horny and promiscuous gay men are any less discriminating than beautiful women.
Bottom line: Mt. 19 says that some men are born eunuchs for the sake of the Kingdom of God. Such as these should be Catholic priests. Heaven forbid that repressed homosexuals, or even worse active homosexuals, should seek ordination. Anethema sit.

Anonymous said...

The three overarching facts on this topic need to be repeated:

(1) It is a homosexual phenomenon;

(2) Almost all of the media refuses to report point No.1 because to do so would not serve point No. 3; and

(3) The Catholic Church must go.


Liberty Mike

216 said...

O/T

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/09/chemnitz-germany-far-right-afd-immigration

An interesting view of the academic left's paranoia from Germany. But an important lesson to our people, don't hold demonstrations on the other side's turf when you are outnumbered. We never get the benefit of victimhood status, we are always problematic.

Anonymous said...

C-Ville had a lot of value for morale and recruitment. The idea that it was "all-bad" is rooted in the MSM narrative. As time goes on, the people on the Right seem like heroes, betrayed by the police. The police were used by the Mayor and Governor to deny a planned, permitted free speech event to save a monument to Heritage American history.

If you are an MSM zombie, you are going to hate the Right no matter what and believe the propaganda about Heather Heyer being an innocent victim of organized terrorists. If you are alt-lite, you will take C-ville as an opportunity to virtue signal about civ-nat cucking being the only way forward. But if you have true conviction about this metapolitical war we find ourselves involved in, you will see that C-ville was required, sooner or later, to define this struggle as something more than bantz and lulz on 4chan/pol. Milo and Gavin and Conservatism Inc are not going to be infiltrated. They are being destroyed and replaced by better, stronger ideas about the future of the Right, the world over.

If there was no C-ville would there have been a Chemnitz?

Audacious Epigone said...

snorlax,

That seems extraordinarily high. Is there any other species of mammal that shows observed behavior close to that? Is it because homosexuality is in vogue now? I wonder what percentage of self-identified gay men have had sex with other men. I'm thinking out loud, as it were--I'm going to see what the GSS has to say!

Maus,

I appreciate the candor. That's not easy, even using a pseudonym, for most people to open up about things like that. I assume, too, that a lack of romantic success has never been associated with a creeping sexual desire for men.

Liberty Mike,

I've been thinking about a way to dispute that since reading it in a meeting a couple of hours ago. I have nothing. Of course the third point can be disputed, but vis a vis the first two, it's solid.

216,

Exactly. There are psyops we can engage in that are both more effective and less risky for us. Photo-bombing tv cameras with the 'it's okay (to be white)" hand gesture, flyers on public bulletin boards (the kind of stuff identity evropa does), getting into Q&As with leftist 'heroes' and asking sincerely-sounding MOAB questions, etc.

Anon,

There is plenty to be learned from C-Ville. I break ranks with a lot of people in that I think the tiki torch march was great--or it would have been had not a death occurred. But broadcasting that you're going to a hostile public space without your own security--that's a bad idea, and a lot of people on our side have had their lives ruined as a consequence.

Audacious Epigone said...

A death from the event, not the night march itself obviously.

216 said...

Anon,

Charlottesville is a Dem stronghold, Chemnitz is in Sachsen (Saxony) the AfD's strongest state (Imagine the demo in Twin Falls, ID, where a similar killing happened two years ago). Cville had a Dem Governor aiming for national office, Chemnitz has a CDU Governor worried about losing votes to the AfD.

In Chemnitz, the invaders killed a mixed race supporter of Die Linke, in Cville our guy killed a white female leftist, wounded several more. We also nearly had both sides shooting at each other. I don't see much of any connection between the two demonstrations, I doubt a single person attended both marches. If said person does exist, its a high probability that person is a government agent/informant.

The Joint Chiefs of Staff issued a public coup threat after Charlottesville. We came quite close to President Paul Ryan.

216 said...

AE,

Do you think the massive doxxing of the torch marchers would have occurred without the carnage on the next day?

Torch parades have been around since ancient times, and the organizers appear to have sought to copy a successful annual torch parade in Estonia by the youth wing of the EKRE party. The left's narrative is that Cville was a modern version of a Klan march to "intimidate blacks", even though few seem to now recall how Wes Bellamy (black councilman) was publicly boasting of his sexual prowess (which wasn't the reason for the demonstration).

Part of what is forgotten about the march was that many right-wing supporters didn't show up, and some people were flagged by Airbnb. The state of Virginia has no shortage of rural rednecks within driving distance, and they didn't show either.

I don't blame the march for Northam's victory, I probably said something of that variety when it happened, but Northam being a moderate white male was likely to win. Also forgotten was the NYC truck terror attack, in a Heyer-less world that might have swung events in Trump's favor. The Dem blowout in the VA legislature would have been lessened, Bezos might not have approved the otherwise risky story on Roy Moore(no accident that it came out the day after Election Day).

HBS said...

Snorlax, AE

Note the higher numbers and larger increases in LGBTQPWTF amongst women and non-whites. The left's "intersectionality" right there.

Feryl said...

https://www.trueorigin.org/gaygene01.php

"The study also found that only 0.9% of men and 0.4% of women reported having only same-sex partners since age 18—a figure that would represent a total of only 1.4 million Americans as homosexual (based on the last census report, showing roughly 292 million people living in America). The resulting accurate figures demonstrate that significantly less than one percent of the American population claims to be homosexual. The NHSLS results are similar to a survey conducted by the Minnesota Adolescent Health Survey (1986) of public school students. The survey showed that only 0.6% of the boys and 0.2% of the girls identified themselves as “mostly or 100% homosexual.”

The 2000 census sheds even more light on the subject. The overall statistics from the 2000 Census Bureau revealed:

The total population of the U.S. is 285,230,516.
The total number of households in the U.S. is 106,741,426.
The total number of unmarried same-sex households is 601,209.

Thus, out of a population of 106,741,426 households, homosexuals represent 0.42% of those households. That is less than one half of one percent! "

- People from cold regions are not gay, so I wouldn't use MN as being representative of the South or CA (the pathogens that cause flaming gayness are more frequently encountered in urban and warm climates)

- In 1986, virtually no girls ID-d as lesbians. There really is no set pattern for female sexuality, it's very influenced by the social environment.

- In 1986, some of the gay males probably lied about their sexuality (in the 1980's, people were very homophobic)

- In the 2010's, many guys and especially girls are lying about their sexuality.....In the opposite direction of the 80's. A lot of hetero people are claiming to be bi or gay.

- Gen X-ers are probably far less likely to have fooled around with the same sex than Boomers or Millennials, because of how thoroughly anti-gay society was in the 80's and early 90's.

Feryl said...

Snorlax:

Female figures for 'other' sexuality are meaningless. Unless women are constantly hearing gay bashing, often motivated by religion, they're likely to be confused about who they are and will be, unless of course they've found Mr. Right.

In the SJW world that we live in, forget about getting accurate stats about young people and their true sexuality. Steve Sailer used to talk about Lou Reed affecting a gay drug addict persona in the 1970's, before Reagan and AIDS made that sort of thing career suicide.

Anonymous said...

AE -

Just for the record, my third point, above, "The Catholic Church must go," could have been better expressed as it is not my position; rather, it is the position of much of the progressive world, including, wittingly or not, of much of the media.

Given your response, perhaps you read my third point the way I intended. The Catholic Church, at its best, has been a bulwark against progressivism. The destruction of the Catholic Church does not aid our cause.

Of course, the Catholic Church should have long ago rooted out homosexual priests and excommunicated liberation theology.

Liberty Mike

Feryl said...

"Adolescence stretches out before the male teenager as a vast quest for pussy and identity. The greatest portion of modern homos are kids that gave up on what seemed like an interminable quest or were diverted from the hetero path by some older bastard. Your celebrity examples and even Oscar Wilde were living a few standard deviations out from the norm, where drugs and oversupply make pussy boring for them. Our culture should function for people in the solid part of the bell-curve. Faggotry can and should be made fun of and shunned."

The "celebrities" I cited were Boomers who were idolized for their personas when every Boomer cohort was younger (the 60's, 70's, and very early 80's). In the 80's, aging Boomers and yes, Gen X-ers, slammed on the brakes and started shaming mindless retarded hedonism. For all the talk about how great Boomer culture was in the late 60's and 70's, go back and listen to some of those songs; it ranges from vacuous at best (the goofball "fantasy" lyrics that people got stoned to) to narcissistic and nihilistic at worst (e.g. The Who's My Generation, or School's out Forever by Alice Cooper). The more intelligent and sophisticated stuff was usually done by Silents, not Boomers. In the 80's the lyrics and mindsets of these artists did improve (more reflective, more compassionate, more hopeful etc.) somewhat.

A lot of celebrities of any generation end up being fucked in the head, probably because these people are inherently narcissistic to begin with and getting more fame and money makes it worse. But the difference is that Gen X-ers and Millennials are embarrassed by these idiots, whereas Boomers think it's all "rock and roll" to be reckless, selfish, and irresponsible. Of course with age some Boomers frown on this crap, but have you seen how fat Boomers are compared to Silents? This is a generation that has never known self-control, and has set a terrible example for younger generations (some of whom vow to do the opposite of the Boomers).

Audacious Epigone said...

216,

Short answer is no, I don't think so. The energy for it wouldn't have been there.

HBS,

Right, it's in vogue.

Liberty Mike,

Yep, we were on the same page with how I initially read it.

Feryl,

Didn't David Bowie go through a staged gay phase of some sort?

Feryl said...

I'm not a Bowie buff or anything, but his flamboyant act in the 70's was standard posturing for that time. As for the "staged" part, who's to say what he was or wasn't doing, and why did he do it? He was fried on drugs at the time (like 95% of musicians in the 70's).