Wednesday, May 02, 2018

Concluding thoughts on the Hater's Ball

Before returning to form by hewing to the data, permit me a few thoughts to wrap up reactions to the AmRen conference.

Z-Man astutely noted there were a fair number of women in attendance, on the order of 10%. That's a good sign. It indicates a move towards social normalization. So does the genuinely friendly reactions and responses our side seemingly uniformly received from law enforcement agents tasked with protecting the event.

The generational divide is another indication that identitarianism will become more socially acceptable in the US in the future. The young guys, especially the numerous Identity Evuropa contingent were affable, enthusiastic, and inquisitive. These were the merry warriors who waged the meme wars of 2015 and 2016. Now they're moving out of the virtual world and into the real one, one that is their oyster.

Parenthetically, I met the people behind hategraphs on twatter and garth volbeck on Gab, both of whom fit this general description very well. Think Paul Kersey, who reminds suburbanites like yours truly as the most popular kid on the block growing up.

In stark contrast, the older attendees were dour and abrasive. For many of them, the event is a despair porn climax. That's not meant to disparage--we are here because they were there long before, and some of this disparity is a consequence of youthful exuberance contrasting with grizzled realism. 

From a commenter:
The Sailer strat of pidgeonholing the Democrats into the party of black grievance and third world immigration is the last chance for USG to come back to regular historical nationhood by the stairs instead of the window.
Seems to me there are three broad potential strategic approaches to take with regards to politics and demographics:

- Old America (legacy whites and blacks) vs New America (Hispanics, Asians, and other recent settlers) -- This is the civic nationalist approach long advocated by Steve Sailer (a position he may have since become less hopeful for, having pivoted somewhat since then towards painting the Democrats as the Black Party). Civic nationalism manifested politically in the form of the Trump presidential effort. During the campaign (and through most of his presidency), Trump has made it a point to frame everything as Americans vs the world. Obama never did that.

One glaring problem with this is that most blacks, who've been in the US from the beginning, don't think of themselves as Americans.

- Ice People (whites, including Jews, and Asians) vs Sun People (blacks and browns) -- This is the meritocracy approach. It probably most closely approximates my own natural sentiments of the three. It is also probably the least workable in practice. For it to be viable, either political dissolution will have to occur or democracy will have to go.

- White identitarianism -- AmRen, Identity Evropa, secessionism, and most of what is considered Alt Right. Ourselves and our posterity.

Ultimately, the first two options work against the third. The third is the most 'extreme', but it may also be the only viable one. If so, then pursuing either of the first two--ie celebrating the Kanye development--is little more than a distraction that wastes precious time getting to the third approach.

How to split the difference to give civic nationalism a chance by putting the interests of current citizens far ahead of those of non-citizens? Three things:

1) A moratorium on immigration lasting at least one full generation
2) The repatriation of all non-citizens to their countries of origin
3) A restoration of native fertility to replacement (at minimum)

63 comments:

Anonymous said...

>1) A moratorium on immigration lasting at least one full generation
>2) The repatriation of all non-citizens to their countries of origin

Oh, is that all?

>3) A restoration of native fertility to replacement (at minimum)

Even better.

I really would have loved to have seen how much the US's self-inflicted wounds could have healed with another 1924-style immigration moratorium plus just a trace amount of quiet acceptance of HBD at elite levels. I was still naive enough to hope for that during Trump's run, but Trump's insufficient heroism and the utterly traitorous behavior of our ruling class (I somehow really believed I was at the highest summit of cynicism in 2016; mere foothills!) have put it permanently out of reach. It's some other game now.

BadMoodReflections said...

None of these 3 seem realistic to me. (FWIW, similar age.)

Secession will be inevitable, I fear. The best thing to do would be have an enclave of likeminded people. Unfortunately sufficiently large ethnic enclaves will be relentlessly attacked by Leftist/Globalist/SJWs.

There's also the internal threat: Many WN types are simply disaffected, low-class goons. I want a community of roughly average suburban whites (or better yet, above-average). I don't want to tie my fortunes to a meth addict criminal. Screening for social status and values is massively important.

Jonathan Centauri said...

That crap about White nationalists being low class is such a worthless canard. These people are being LEGALLY DISCRIMINATED AGAINST BY LAW. They still seem smarter and better behaved than the blacks or turd world trash though. Drugs are an escape for many who have been betrayed and actually persecuted.
This Nation is either White or smoldering ruins. There is no happy medium. The blacks and turd world garbage have come here as beggars and cannot even feed themselves without government cheese. Its laughable to keep this Anti-White Trash around at all.
This scum is just being used as USEFUL IDIOTS or Bioterror weapons. The Enemy is a COWARD. They will not fight their own battles. This much has been amply demonstrated. They are now going after Japanese and Koreans. Those groups are ALSO A THREAT.
THIS CANNOT END PEACEABLY. That much is Certain. They always go TOO FAR. Their previous survival was running and escaping to somewhere that people had NEVER HEARD OF THEM and claiming they were "unfairly persecuted". Taking this global may be their LAST MISTAKE.

Adam J. Young said...

I'm pondering who you are now...

I agree with your thoughts by the way.

Anonymous said...

Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.

Non-Hispanic Whites are on their way to become a minority in the US. After 2020, 2024 at most, the GOP as it is right now will have no viable path to power.

You either accept this and try to appeal more to Hispanics, Asians, and Blacks, or you will be phased out.

Religious conservatism is the only way the GOP can try to appeal to hardcore Hispanic Catholics and black Baptists. If the Democrats carry on being the party of gender theory, some conservatives will have a shot at getting the vote of the church-going Latinos and Blacks who don't want their children to become freak show rejects.

The white identitarian movement is a foolish dream.

Sid said...

My honest advice to Republicans who are serious about winning now and over the long haul is to whip up the white vote and try to divide and conquer the non-white vote.

Trump in 2020 should aspire to win 20% of the black male vote, 40% of the Hispanic vote, around 50% of the male Asian vote, and 70% of the white vote.

Granted, these numbers probably aren't achievable, but this is a "shoot for the moon, you'll be among the stars" kind of goal. You'll always fall short of your goals, so why not aim higher and, while falling short, still prevail?

There are a number of blacks who, deep down, understand that whites are the best friends they'll ever get, so they may as well prop us up because they'll fall if we do. Ditto Jews. You won't win anywhere close to a majority of their votes, but why not push down the Democratic Party margins?

Furthermore, my Boomercon dad admitted that he warmed up to Trump somewhat when he saw Trump trying to reach out to blacks. Most normies accept that blacks and Jews won't like Republicans, but they still want a Republican who, like Reagan, won't harm those ethnicities. That's one way to push up the white vote.

There's no good in telling Hispanic illegals to come and stay, but you still can tell the ones who are citizens that you will help them build a better life than the Democrats will. Hispanics might like gibs but they're more inclined to a pro-growth message than blacks are. A number of Hispanics want to be seen as better than illegals anyway, so some vote Republican the way SWPLs vote Democrat: I'm better than the rubes!

It won't be easy to win over Asian females, but the Hispanic Heritage Foundation survey found that a little over half of Gen Z Asian males supported Trump. Frankly, Asian men are also losers in diversity drives (being Asian is a massive detriment to your Ivy League applications), would win big from principled stands against miscegenation, want their video games and nerdy hobbies to spared of SJW rubbish, and so forth. Granted, Asian men won't be shouting 1488, but I've been surprised by how they're somewhat friendly associates on social media to the cause.

When it comes to whites, though, Republicans should adopt white nationalist policies with civic nationalist rhetoric. AmRen obviously should avoid this, and stay true to itself.

There may come a time when Republicans should be open about being pro-white, but I don't think we're there yet. It's really up to AmRen and other alt-right venues to build up and support a pro-white community. The groundwork needs to be established there before anything else can happen.

In summary: AmRen is great and needs to stay true to its mission, but right now the parts of the GOP that aren't cucked need to remain shrewd. That's how it is for most things in politics, regardless.

Sid said...

wrt Kanye West: I like how he's getting all the right people upset, but he's proven himself to be an extremely erratic diva.

From what I remember, however, he's from a fairly genteel black background, so it wouldn't surprise me if his IQ is around 100. His statements generally don't come across as "intelligent," but they're not the kind genuinely stupid people make. Furthermore, his behavior is more akin with that of a white rockstar whose fame, success, and wealth has gotten to his head, rather than that of a truly vile black rapper.

Scott Adams has written that Kanye West possesses strong emotional intuition and persuasive skills. I agree with him. Kanye is a nothing if not an extremely successful musical star, and people like that operate on a level beyond that of mere intelligence.

Even so, there's no telling what Kanye West will do on one day to the next. It wouldn't surprise me if Kanye concluded he should make some statements the polite media would find alarming so his latest songs would get some free publicity.

In a nutshell, it's fun to watch Kanye West trigger our foes, but I roll my eyes when I see alt-lite commentators like Paul Joseph Watson and Claire Lehmann (both of whom I respect) go out of their way to endorse and defend his latest comments.

Enjoy the show, maybe hope he will cause some black people to break out of the hivemind, but I don't trust banking on him.

IHTG said...

Old America (legacy whites and blacks) vs New America (Hispanics, Asians, and other recent settlers) -- This is the civic nationalist approach long advocated by Steve Sailer (a position he may have since become less hopeful for, having pivoted somewhat since then towards painting the Democrats as the Black Party).

"Old America vs New America" and Steve Sailer's "turn the Democrats into the black party" don't necessarily contradict one another. One could envision a political constellation where a Trumpist Republican party and a black-dominated Democratic party both oppose the "New America" in a bipartisan fashion.

szopen said...

I was thinking about immigration - this should be like accepting someone to your family, right? Maybe immigrants should be demanded to change their name. Like if you want to be American, you cannot be called Lee Woo, change the name into Leon Wood. If you want to be Polish, can't have name John Wood, change it into Jan DrewiƄski. Don't want to do it? Maybe it means you don't really want become one of us. Name change would symbolize identity change, adoption into new culture and new nation.

216 said...

What the country needs is an electoral reform that changes the composition of the House from a single member district system, to a proportional system like Germany's. Within the GOP we will always lose out to the donor class. But as our own party we could adopt a mass membership structure and ban donations by the elite.

A nationalist right party could win at least 30% of the vote, while a DSA party could get 20%.

lineman said...

I want a community of roughly average suburban whites (or better yet, above-average)
Why in the heck would you want that? They are part of the reason we are in the mess we are in...How about some above average rural folk;) Like I said I'm here in Bitterroot and people wanting a better life can always join me...

Passer by said...

I wouldn't call having one woman per ten men (10 %) a fair number, i would call it a joke.

Mostly sposes means that they are there because of their men. In other words, if their male sposes change their opinions (research shows that women are more agreeable than men), or if they divorce, even those women probably would not be there.

Check your Reuters polls to see what happens with female support for Trump when a woman is married and when a woman divorces.

Anonymous said...

Singapore has a type of multicultural meritocracy. However the ruling caste is made up of southern Chinese who intermarried hundreds of years ago with light skin Malays. Its a civic nationalist place, all men have to be in the reserves until 45. And it takes a surveillance state beyond imagination to keep order.
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Patrice Stanton said...

It's FAILED for years, so continuing the attempt to appeal to Blacks/Browns/Greys/etc is "a distraction that wastes (even more) precious time." Can't you see what the Mob does to a superstar like KW? The average DeMarcus or DeJuan sees it and has seen it before (Clarence Thomas-to-Ben Carson and beyond) enough to know that the fast track to ostracism from everyone they hold near and dear. Nope. Gotta be another way.

p.s. Me and my old-fogie husband went to AmRen conference in 2016 (at my instigation!) and the "seniors" sure didn't seem dour then. Sorry to read that.

Anonymous said...

Thank you for condemning FUSA to South Africa.

The Gray Man said...

Is that what the AmRen conferences are called now? The Haters Ball? I'm going to have to attend the next, being a hater myself...

pyrrhus said...

Nothing substantive will happen until resources (financial and environmental) start to get tight, and then there will be a food fight over what's left. Followed by out and out warfare between the various ethnic groups.

James said...

Hey, AE. Would you be able to find some membership totals for the Boy Scouts since about 2010. They started to allow homo adults and boys in 2014, transgender boys in 2017, and now females. I am curious if there is a trend of declining enrollment. I know there has been a drop since I was in Scouts in the 60's but I want to know how the recent SJW trends have effected it. I know there have been alternatives to scouting that have sprung up, like Trail Life USA. I want to know if the statistics indicate that the slippery slope will eventually annihilate this once formidable bastion of molding boys into men.

Joe Suber said...

As the boomer-tier conservatives become less important, the censorship and disinformation put forth by the SPLC and ADL become more damaging. They are the thinkers that oppose us; they craft the marginalizing labels, create the talking points, and enable the censors. They sow dissension in our ranks. I would guess that the split between Civ-Nat and Alt-Right is a source of many high-fives in SPLC-HQ. (chronicled in the Murdock Murdock series The Alt-Light Strikes Back )

Dan said...

"This is the meritocracy approach. It probably most closely approximates my own natural sentiments of the three. It is also probably the least workable in practice. "

I actually think this is the most workable. We are kind of already there.

Property rights and rule of law, which we certainly have in America, favors meritocracy. Earning a good income can buy you into a good neighborhood where you escape many lower class problems. Tax rates are currently low and social spending is relatively low.

Breaking property rights and rule of law means (among other things) setting dynamite to the foundations economy and the debt superstructure. That is certainly not something the elite would ever get behind in America, whose debt superstructure is in the middle of the global economy.

I believe America is pretty much chained to a meritocratic system with strong property rights and rule of law. Although theoretically America could go more socialist, that would reset the economy at a lower level. If the economy resets at a lower level, the towering debt is unsustainable.

Suppose a leftist President tries to push for tax and spend in the future. Even the talk of that will be enough to tank the markets giving brutal push-back to future economic leftists even if Republicans hold no office at some hypothetical future time.

Thus, I think meritocracy is what has legs. And you only have to look at places like DC and New York and San Francisco, all very far left politically, to see that it works in such a climate. San Francisco has a sea of homeless separated by mere neighborhoods from the richest people on the planet. New York and DC, kind of the same.

The rich can buy politicians, protecting the meritocracy.

5218Anon said...

Yeah, I think California style neoliberal "meritocracy" is what's going to happen, with the ideological schizophrenia created by vertiginous inequality being managed by universal class-inflected hatred directed at non-elite whites. Any meritocrat whites that can hack it as an urban professional will still have ample opportunity to defect to the ruling class as long as they can work up a little spittle for their families back home. That will go on for quite a while before Republicans get too weak to offer even token obstructionism outside of a few besieged areas and the US system reforms into neoliberals (100% of non-plutocrat ice people) vs. third world maoists.

Or maybe CRISPR makes everyone into Niels Bohr on the inside first.

Anonymous said...

Lineman, We're curious about the Bitterroot valley area -- near Bozeman? I have no idea how to get in touch with you, but perhaps AE can figure it out. Will check in daily.

Jim Bowery said...

Our County GOP convention platform included a 2 generation immigration moratorium.

Yes, I was the one who introduced the plank and spoke for it.

Ya'll best read this....

https://www.facebook.com/jabowery/posts/10216061903131100

Anonymous said...

@ " Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.

Non-Hispanic Whites are on their way to become a minority in the US. After 2020, 2024 at most, the GOP as it is right now will have no viable path to power."
First, two things:
1)The future of the GOP is irrelevant to the future of White Americans.
2)Becoming a minority and,being assimilated aare two different things.
The prerequisites for the growth of White American Nationalism are already in place.
A poll taken of @5360 adult Americans in 2017 found that
8 percent of respondents said they supported white nationalism as a group or movement,while 31 percent of Americans polled, strongly or somewhat agreed that “America must protect and preserve its White European heritage,” and 39 percent agreed that “white people are currently under attack in this country.”
It's reasonable to believe that had these polls been limited to White Americans,the percentages would have been even higher.
A survey of Millennials which AE referenced November 21,2017,in a post entitled "Color Trumps Ideology" shows more Millennials of every ethnoracial group in the U.S. including Whites,listed ethnicity/ race as a more important identity than ideology OR American nationality.
Among Whites it was closer
40% to 35% but this isn't unexpected. For most of U.S history Whites have been the American nation.
So it appears the different racial groups of the U.S.are already psychologically distinctive in which groups they identify with and ,
presumably feel loyalty to.
In other words they possess different National consciousness's.
A necessary prerequisite for Nationalism's.
Couple this with different historical experiences, different narratives,traditions to include holidays,heroes and geographical concentrations,and the pieces for partition are coming together.
The United States is already a multiNATIONAL state.
White Nationalism is in its infancy. As Whites decline as a percentage of the U.S.population it will grow.
It is the belief that a multinational state, which isn't dominated but one of the constituent Nations, can survive,which is the "foolish dream. "

By the way, the Borg lost.
Remember?

Feryl said...

"What the country needs is an electoral reform that changes the composition of the House from a single member district system, to a proportional system like Germany's. Within the GOP we will always lose out to the donor class. But as our own party we could adopt a mass membership structure and ban donations by the elite.

A nationalist right party could win at least 30% of the vote, while a DSA party could get 20%. "

In our system, Trump won and Bernie, though he lost, still gained a tremendous following. Both parties got the message, loud and clear, that change is overdue (Hillary lost the Michigan Dem primary, after all). I don't think it's a matter of our party system er se, it's more a matter of entrenched super elites refusing to change their tune (and secondarily, mostly older and less elite partisans who need to get a clue).

In Europe, political coalitions have to be cobbled together from a variety of parties, and the results are really not all that different from the US WRT reflecting the electorate's values. A large variety of interest groups tend to ally with a particular party in the US, whereas in Europe a particular party tends to represent a narrower range of interest groups, which nonetheless have to form alliances with other parties/interest groups if they want to have any shot at getting things done. One difference between the US and Europe seems to be that in the US, political culture seems slower to change because of the greater stability of the two party system. Whereas in Europe, rapidly changing fortunes of a party and sudden breakdowns of coalitions and formations of new coalitions can rapidly change things.

I've noticed that niche groups (and white nationalists definitely are a niche) tend to really want to break with the two party system. A more likely outcome is that if one of the main two parties refuses to adopt to the populist times, they will go the way of the Whigs and be replaced by a more relevant party. If Republicans can't shut up for more than 5 minutes about strangling big government (thereby alienating people born after the early 70's), then see ya. If Democrats don't learn to stop demonizing straight white men, then see ya. Appealing to whites and, of course, those who graduated from high school after the Berlin wall fell, is essential to lasting electoral appeal.

Feryl said...

"1)The future of the GOP is irrelevant to the future of White Americans."

As long as whites form the dominant majority in an area, they can at any time fight for laws and culture which preserve their footprint and security. After Obama and under Trump, the GOP became the de facto white party for under 40 voters (older GOP partisans are more likely to think in terms of muh small government principles and such). Thing is, younger voters are now judging them on much different terms than they are used to. Success is no longer defined by crapping on unions, slashing regulations, and tax cuts. Now it's based on keeping an area's culture and demographics intact. The GOP's time for crowing about the feelz of resting on your porch after a sweaty day where you did it all your own, as old glory flutters in a gentle twilight breeze and fireflies dance, is coming to an end.

But if the GOP is going to repeat talking points about Chicago School proselytizing to tribalistic non-whites, F*** it. The hapless GOP can't even process that it's younger (and still quite wary) white base doesn't give a shit about the Chicago School.

Feryl said...

"In stark contrast, the older attendees were dour and abrasive. For many of them, the event is a despair porn climax."

It's the dissonance of getting almost everything they wanted, economically, for over 30 years, while so many signs of corruption and dysfunction have worsened since circa 1970.

Improving the situation for all of us in the long term is going to require that more of us make sacrifices. If restoring gender roles, putting gays back in the closet, halting immigration, and so forth is more likely to happen when elites agree to forego various luxuries in favor of restoration of good wages, good benefits (be they private or public), and generous (private) pensions, then so be it.

A lot of older people are deeply in denial of the association between individual avarice, and social/cultural decline. They must be chastened that, after all, you can't have it both ways......You can't expect the culture to be wholesome and stable when a large class of people are hyper-competitive and greedy. A high stakes society with big winners and big losers is going to create a lot of anomie that rots away the collective sense of well-being, which in turn opens the doors to decadence.

For those over 60, they probably feel as though they are watching a descent into oblivion. For those in their 40's and 50's, they probably fantasize that in the apocalypse to come, they will be able dads and moms defending their family from marauders and starvations.

For the younger people, we think more in terms of "we sure saw a lot of fucked up stuff from an early age, but I think we can do better than that". Or at least, do something besides partying and narcissistic "hard work".

I think a lot of Boomers and Gen X-ers harbor a lot of regret that they were getting high, getting drunk, going to rock concerts etc. as the world crumbled around them. Some of them mistakenly think that every generation makes the same mistakes, history is linear, we've hit our peak and slowly descended downwards and can't stop the slide. Neil Howe said on a recent podcast that the decline in crime and most forms of violence that's happened from the late 90's-2010's appears to be unprecedented in American history. He also said that teen smoking and drinking are at far lower levels than they were in the 70's-90's. It seems that Howe is coming to the opinion that Boomers and X-ers, esp. in America, represented a spectacular blast of hedonism and defiance of moral conventions that has seldom been seen before or since. He also said that Millennials and Gen Z remaining attached to their parents (the ultimate authority figures in any younger person's life) is a return to typical human norms, to the shock of Boomers and many X-ers who treated their parents as an impediment to controlling one's destiny.

I've been watching a lot of 90's MTV specials and 90's concert footage lately, and it's amazing how glib youth culture was WRT how terribly behaved and obnoxious Gen X-ers became by that point. "Getting stupid", being wasted, being loud and screaming, etc. I just don't get it. Of course, that represented a particular set of X-ers (the rock and roll ones), not necessarily the ones who had the credentials to get into Harvard. That being said, I've never felt more like A Millennial than I do after I watch that stuff from the 90's. Agnostic used to talk about how people born from about 1978-1985 weren't as crazy as Gen X-ers and weren't as dorky as Millennials, and I still agree with that. People born in that mini-generations don't feel quite at home with either the rock and rollers or the nerds. At my work I deal with some earlier Gen X-ers, and they can be crude assholes. Maybe not as greedy as Boomers, but perhaps more unpleasant and rude.

Feryl said...

WRT the bell curve, the accepted mainstream culture of hedonism that mostly coincided with the transition to social Darwinism as the 70's progressed has inflicted huge levels of damage on lower class Boomers and Gen X-ers, many of whom now are dead or are rotting away, beset with diseases, poorly functioning bodies, stacks of hard to pay bills, and despair at the choices they made.....And a society that showed no mercy for fuck-ups and "losers" by the mid-80's....The word "loser" was a Boomer specialty that infiltrated the discourse by the mid-70's. Nice to see such compassion for the left end of the bell curve.

We can't throw people to the wolves anymore, and act like it's their problem and not ours.

216 said...

O/T

A Fast-Food Problem: Where Have All the Teenagers Gone? Triple Parentheses authors.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/03/upshot/fast-food-jobs-teenagers-shortage.html

Obviously we can't have higher wages driven by market forces. We need a tranche of Third World labor to make our cheap chalupas.

Random Dude on the Internet said...

It will be interesting but it is becoming clearer by the day that we're not going down the Brazil route but the South Africa route.

I'm not sure what the solution is because anything that's effective is going to require white people to become politically involved and many of them not only resist it but lash out against it. There are more white people who OD'd on heroin last year than white people who are willing to march for their future. Too many white people are just content to either vote or just grumble about how it's pointless and just sit on their asses until they die or OD. To get them going will require something that's even much larger than Trump to get them motivated.

Maybe when they try to do an actual gun grab will that be the tipping point. It's the only thing I can see that might motivate enough white people to fight back. As we see more and more, it's not the first amendment. The fourth amendment was totally lost without any kind of resistance. It may really come down to gun rights at a national level.

Z. Zorost said...

"1) A moratorium on immigration lasting at least one full generation
2) The repatriation of all non-citizens to their countries of origin"

Unless you define non-citizen as non-white, we don't have 1 generation. The next time Democrats win the presidency they'll open the borders and flood swing states with non-whites, ushering in a permanent 1-party state. Or at least a 2 party state where neither bothers worrying about issues characterized as being right-wing/ conservative/ western culture/ white. Except of course to vilify and attack those things to pander to their voters.

According to a study by the Brookings Institute 2028 is the absolute last year Republicans can win the presidency due to demographic changes that are already set; immigration laws and enforcement won't change it.

summary graph on pg 35
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/SOC2016report.pdf

Audacious Epigone said...

Anon,

I naively thought the same, that America First would have broad enough appeal to force the Cloud People to stop digging our (the Dirt People) hole deeper and deeper.

BadMoonReflections,

It may be naive, but the SWJ and SWPL (the ones who don't join us!) ire won't be of much consequence. The people in the Imperial Capital already hate West Virginians, Alaskans, and Wyomingites. So what? They lose their formal political power over those places and what consequence will come from that hatred, even if it is turned up?

As for "low-class goons", my dad was asking me about the weekend. I was describing meeting some people I'd previously only known as online avatars and twitter handles and he asked if they were surprised I didn't have a shaved head and neck tattoos. And he reads this blog--he'll read this very comment (hi dad!). Wildly off the mark, of course. The gathering was reminiscent of Sunday mornings at the Lutheran church I attended growing up.

Jonathan,

Yeah, proles generally don't spend several hundred dollars to dress up in suits and spend hours and hours drinking coffee and talking to people about an eclectic mix of philosophy, current events, politics, statistics, and abstract ideas.

Adam,

A heritage American concerned about ourselves and our posterity.

One cool personal story I didn't share elsewhere is that I met--or rather re-met--a guy who lives a few miles from me. He owned a facility where I competed in something on a regular basis. I'll let him say more if he wants to! The takeaway is that we're springing up everywhere. The unifying sentiment? Enough is enough.

Sid,

Right, this isn't going to be led by the Republican party. Hah, just entertaining the idea that the GOP would lead on anything non-treasonous is so risible I can hardly type it. But they can be led. Currently, they're led by their puppet master money men because if those money men endorse them, they know the rubes will vote for them. But that is starting to change, as the exodus of Chamber of Commerce Republicans ahead of the 2018 mid-terms indicates.

It would be nice if we could sneak someone into congress to be our Ron Paul. In a few more years, it could be Fuentes. Here's to hoping.

IHTG,

Theoretically, yeah. One wrench, though, is that blacks are strongly opposed to immigration restrictionism, more so than Hispanics and Asians. It keeps popping up in polling and surveys I look at. Going to post on another one from California soon. It's baffling.

Patrice,

Come again next year!

Wait until the videos come out. Make sure you watch the Q&A sessions, especially Nick Fuentes and Jared Taylor. Those questioners will serve as fantastic exhibits in favor of my argument!

The Gray Man,

Hah no, that's just what Z-Man referred to it as and I, true to epigonic form, ripped it off from him.

pyrrhus,

The impending financial crash will be when things start to happen fast. How exactly it plays out would be unwarranted conjecture on my part, but things will look different afterwards than they do right now.

Audacious Epigone said...

James,

From the LAT looks like numbers are down by about one-third since the early 2000s. It's now putting the mainline Protestant trajectory in motion, though. The organization is probably moribund now. It's too bad--a lot of the actual scouts are our allies, not our enemies.

Joe,

Indeed, though at least we know our enemy. And the $PLC's image is suffering among normies now. Their days of influence may be numbered. Morris Dees and the other (((executives))) will be laughing all the way to the bank, but their peak influence is probably already in the rearview mirror.

Dan,

Diane Feinstein and Kevin de Leon are harbingers of what is to come, with Feinstein representing a corrupt meritocracy and de Leon the skins game. He won't win... yet, but someone like him will win soon. And then lots of people like him will start winning. Meritocracy doesn't much exist in South Africa. When aggrieved, non-white have-nots gain political power, they'll trample over it.

5218,

Good reminder re: CRISPR specifically and disruptive technologies in general.

Anon,

Wow, a lot of population growth in the area over the last several years. Over 90% n-H white--deplorable!

Jim,

I should point out that the typical criticism of requiring public disclosure is that employers will discriminate against those holding differing beliefs. That is true, and a feature, not a bug. This will force people to confront the power of privatized network effects -- which is the true bug in civilization leading to its decay and downfall as the cost of protecting property rights is shifted off of asset taxation and onto economic activities.

Hugely important, glad to see you making the point (yes, I know I use a pseudonym--I understand the utility nonetheless).

Audacious Epigone said...

Anon,

The presumption that the only thing different about whites in 2000 and in 2050 is the respective shares of the total population they'll represent is flawed. Younger whites are more likely to identify racially than older whites are. They're also more likely to support political dissolution. The writing is on the wall, and many younger whites see it. A lot of boomers don't fully grasp what it's like.

Feryl,

If Republicans can't shut up for more than 5 minutes about strangling big government (thereby alienating people born after the early 70's), then see ya. If Democrats don't learn to stop demonizing straight white men, then see ya.

Touche. I disagree with Agnostic (and probably you) in that I actually see the former as slightly more likely than the latter, which is a pipe dream. Watch when Harris and Sanders debate ahead of 2020--Sanders were go limp just like he did with Hillary when she forced every conversation towards cultMarx SJWism and he dutifully followed. Long, long gone is the "open borders is a Koch brothers proposal" Sanders. Jim Webb got less than 1% of the Dem vote. That's about all the enthusiasm there is for citizen-first economic leftism.

A lot of older people are deeply in denial of the association between individual avarice, and social/cultural decline. They must be chastened that, after all, you can't have it both ways......You can't expect the culture to be wholesome and stable when a large class of people are hyper-competitive and greedy.

This is why, while I think there are things he's quixotically off the mark on, the Jordan Peterson phenomenon is a great thing. "Clean up your own room" is a great life rule with profound implications.

216,

It's the same game they play with re: to native fertility. "Don't have kids, it's bad for your own personal development and for the environment!" Twenty years later, "There aren't enough young people, we need to import others to shore up our old age entitlement programs!"

Random Dude,

Great point.

You'll like Simon Roche's speech. Look for it when it is released. He gets at the same thing you're getting at. Not in exactly the same way, but endpoint is correct. You (and he) are exactly right.

Audacious Epigone said...

Passerby,

We have more female involvement than the Jacobins or the Bolsheviks. Look out!

216 said...

Not surprising that Roche thinks 60% of the white minority in SA is cucked. They can't get much international help when their own political spectrum spans from outright treason (ANC) to Stockholm Syndrome (DA).

https://www.news24.com/Columnists/MelanieVerwoerd/times-for-white-people-to-say-not-in-my-name-20180502

YT is the only people that engage in this kind of self-hatred, and then call it virtue.

As much as it would benefit our cause, I would never curse blacks with this self-loathing guilt. And they actually deserve it.

216 said...

AE,

The problem with the BSA is that there are still too many conservadads hanging on in leadership. They use the excuse of "not having a better alternative" or the loss of access to the BSA physical campgrounds.

There still remains a nonzero chance that the organization manages to increase membership now that it is "woke" to feed at the trough of SJW largesse brought to you by Megacorp. That would be a cataclysmic outcome. I doubt it, given the indifference of non-whites to the outdoors.

The Right should have bailed en masse when the LGBT was allowed to join, and in many ways the real fight was lost when women were allowed to become adult leaders. The conservadad sticking it out is the only enemy that we can influence into switching sides. It is a microcosm of the civilizational battle.

The BSA has to die if the Right wants to live.

chris said...

"membership totals for the Boy Scouts since about 2010. They started to allow homo adults and boys in 2014, transgender boys in 2017, and now females."

They should call Boy Scouts the SJW Scouts now.

chris said...

"Property rights and rule of law, which we certainly have in America."

You do not have rule of law in America when a current administration can manufactured false evidence to use as justification for spying on a opposition political candidate and then not only are they criminally investigated but that manufactured false evidence is spread in the media to instigate an investigation of the opposition political candidate that was originally wronged.

You do not have rule of law, your elites are corrupt as fuck.

(Just so you know, manufacturing false evidence then using it get a warrant would violate all rules of evidence and court procedure not to mention this was in a FISA court which would have an even higher bar of evidence and procedure than a regular court.)

chris said...

*fixed some typos.

"Property rights and rule of law, which we certainly have in America."

You do not have rule of law in America when a current administration can manufacture false evidence to use as justification for spying on an opposition political candidate and then not only are they not criminally investigated but that manufactured false evidence is spread in the media to instigate an investigation of the opposition political candidate that was originally wrongly spied upon.

You do not have rule of law, your elites are corrupt as fuck.

(Just so you know, manufacturing false evidence then using it get a warrant would violate all rules of evidence and court procedure not to mention this was in a FISA court which would have an even higher bar of evidence and procedure than a regular court.)

BadMoodReflections said...

@Jonathan Centauri:

There's truth to pointing out that the White underclass is set upon by all these destructive forces. I grew up in a poor family, but my parents were intelligent and raised me right. I ended up reasonably successful in the end because I didn't get into drugs, gangs, crime. I really have no sympathy for the skinhead cadre or the Nazi sympathizer cadre. We can rationalize reasons for failures all day long, but these are still people who I don't want as neighbors if I can help it. That has meaningful implications for understanding secession.

@AE:

Anyone who reads your blog would know better than to assume the shaved head & neck tattoo variety. It is easy to notice those who cultivated their viewpoints in the HBD-sphere as generally thoughtful & articulate, versus the skinhead DailyStormer variety.

As for the consequences on secessionary movements: The USG will absolutely be able to bring to bear a great amount of raw force once a real white ethnostate begins solidifying itself. The sanctions placed on NRK or Iran will be a joke in comparison. It's too bad Mormonism is also corrupted by multiculturalist lies, as Utah would make a great place to start for both geographic and population reasons.

I hope California tries to secede in the coming few years as it will encourage secessionist movements. And if California formally secedes we might see the USG putting down the rebellion (which I advocate just because California is a beautiful area and should be ruled by Americans, not traitors).

Anonymous said...

@AE

> Currently, they're led by their puppet master money men because if those money men endorse them, they know the rubes will vote for them. But that is starting to change, as the exodus of Chamber of Commerce Republicans ahead of the 2018 mid-terms indicates.<

I think this is still being naive. Republicans are in enough of a demographic death lock that it will always be possible to peel off the critical handful of Congressmen needed to break legislative pushes by giving them Jeff Flake style sinecures in exchange for strapping a suicide bomb on their political careers. And that's even if we get perfected Trumpism within 10-15 years, which is the time horizon we're looking at. Given that Congress absolutely has to do iron willed stuff that will make the media (that they've they've absorbed as a moral force all their lives) shriek for blood, like removing judges and ending mass legal immigration, the things that absolutely have to be done to save the USG in a form that resembles what it's been won't be done. White pill dispensers like Fuentes need to be pointed at something more reasonable than bending USG back into shape. I am not an ethnostate type saying this.

>This is why, while I think there are things he's quixotically off the mark on, the Jordan Peterson phenomenon is a great thing. "Clean up your own room" is a great life rule with profound implications.<

Unfortunately, "Clean your room" as a life plan for above-average whites will pretty much always look like: Get a remunerative higher education, then go to live in an urban center for decades to make money. As the price of admission, almost everyone without an anomalous dissident brain will learn to venomously hate 100 IQ whites and to spit on their own grandfather's graves in that process.

Sid said...

AE,

The closest person to what you are proposing, an alt-right Ron Paul, would be Steve King of Iowa. His line about "with someone else's children" was memetic gold.

Still, he's just a tad too old and his career was largely that of a typical Boomercon. He comes across less of a trailblazer than the quintessential uncle who states his opinion without compunction when asked.

But then again, Ron Paul was a fundamentally flawed candidate*, but he tilted the axis of the American right against war and against the establishment by running for president in 2008 and 2012. Maybe Steve King could finally force the mainstream to think about what population replacement will mean by running for president in the future.

*Nothing against Ron Paul, however. I am proud of voting for him in the primaries in 2012. I voted for Gary Johnson in the 2012 general to try to continue that, but I ended up regretting my vote big time in 2016 once I saw how much a stoned out, open borders loser Gary Johnson is.

Sid said...

In a lot of ways, Bernie Sanders was the democratic socialist version of Ron Paul. An old guy, not particularly polished, but charismastic because he was committed to and driven by his ideals.

A big difference between the American left and right is that the left largely exists on a capitalist-socialist continuum, whereas the right consists of various factions which have made their peace with each other in varying degrees. The pro-capitalist left is currently the political core of the country, especially among the elites, with cuckservatives being the closest to them.

As it was, Bernie won an impressive slice of the Democratic electorate, but hardly any superdelegates. He had almost no appeal among blacks.

In one sense, Bernie made more of a splash than Ron Paul, but I think Paul succeeded in tilting the political axis of the right against war and the political establishment. As such, he helped pave the way for Trump in 2016, though their policy platforms were quite distinct.

In contrast, I don't think Bernie did much to affect the Democratic Party. If anything, they succeeded in turning him from someone denouncing open borders as a Koch Brothers idea to just another old cuck.

If Bernie runs again in 2020, he'll run on some populist platforms, but more in the sense of handing out more gibs, just to whites this time. When it comes to the National Question, expect him to prove how high he can jump on flooding the country demographically. What good is it for my student loans to be redeemed if I don't have a future in my own country?

The only way for the Democratic Party to endorse the kind of political platform Bernie propounded in 2015 is for them to realize they've lost the debate on demographics and immigration, and move from open borders and gibs for non-whites to leftist economic populism to regain working class votes. They're far, far from that realization. In fact, they really haven't lost there yet.

If you want a better DNP, grit your teeth and vote GOP, unless the Republican on ballot is a complete open borders cuck.

Dan said...

AE --

I try to be optimistic. But the left is losing its mind.

I try to believe they won't let things go to hell, that they can't simply let chaos reign.

And then I see how Democrats want to CUT the funding for ICE! WTF! They have no platform, no goals anymore except to oppose Trump. Sarah Huckabee Sanders asked recently, if Democrats love the country more than they hate the President. The answer is a resounding, no.

I think the only thing that will bring them around is an honest-to-God collapse.

It looks like it will be all hands on deck again this month; word is they will try again with an immigration bill. Will the Republicucks try to screw us over yet again?

Apparently border crossings are back up to Obama levels.

thekrustykurmudgeon said...

this should solve 95% of all problems, though obviously getting any of this to be passed let alone enforced is another matter altogether:

- build the wall
- end birthright citizenship to anyone born after 12/31/2019 unless they have american born siblings so that within a generation there is no birthright citizenship
- make immigration needs based so that we get people who have preexisting skills
- ban the burka (which should in effect get rid of muzzies)
- any woman under 40 on welfare should be given depo shots
- minimum 18 on act or 1200 on sat (800 on the old sat) to graduate from high school
- make laws that act/sat can be the only thing considered in accepting students to state/public universities

chris said...

^end funding for the Humanities and specifically ban Gender/Race/Critical Theory studies in educational programs using Title VI and Title IX (Race and Gender discrimination).

lineman said...

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DissidentRight said...

One glaring problem with this is that most blacks, who've been in the US from the beginning, don't think of themselves as Americans.

Well, they're really not. The Republican Party ignored the Constitution and used martial to declare them citizens…without even requiring them to naturalize. And then expected them to, of course, vote Republican. Just under four million blacks were affected, about 12.6% of the population. Today, that would be equivalent of granting unnaturalized citizenship to 38.9 million Mexicans.

The Republicans Party: Electing A New People Since '68!

The third is the most 'extreme', but it may also be the only viable one.

"Viable". Trump proves that where there's a will, there's a way. This is our land. All of it.

The problem with boomers is they don't have skin in the game.

Dan said...

Birth rates are declining...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-fertility-birth-rate-decline-jodi-kantor/

I am not sure how this breaks out by ethnic group but it sure looks like millenials aren't getting it on.

Dan said...

I think the thing for conservatives if they want to turn things around is some kind of radical fertility, like the Orthodox Jews do.

People shouldn't think that 2 is replacing themselves. Between all the lefties, atheists and incels (a growing group!), conservatives need to have a bunch to really counteract things and get overall births moving in the right direction.

Jonathan Centauri said...

I would suggest sitting home and letting the GOP crash and burn this year. The Lincoln Party doesn't represent you anyway. They perform the role of The Generals that ALWAYS LOSE to the Harlem Globetrotters. This HASN'T CHANGED AT ALL since they took the Majority. Even if they were all GOP, they STILL WOULDN'T REPRESENT YOU.
You can see why. That cuck McConnell has a Chinese wife and he's making Big Bucks with Chinese Business Deals. Ryan has a Golden Parachute waiting for him as a lobbyist or "expert" somewhere.
These sad sacks don't believe that "Civic Nationalism" drivel. Its a CHEAP EXCUSE to tell the "folks back home in flyover country". Let them crash and burn. The D-Party is DUMB ENOUGH to say this is a "mandate" and ratchet it up UNTIL THERE MUST BE BLOWBACK.

FIGHT OR DIE, WHITE MAN. DO NOT WAIT UNTIL YOU ARE HOPELESSLY OUTNUMBERED LIKE THE BOERS...

Feryl said...

"- ban the burka (which should in effect get rid of muzzies)"

No. Part of being American is that the government can't tell us to salute the flag, or tell us what to wear, or whatever.

In Europe (which is far less libertarian than America), one of the reasons Muslims fail so horribly to get along with native Europeans is that people are supposed to follow a lot of rules that have been honed and refined for thousands of years. Muslims have no willingness (or ability) to assimilate to a particular Euro country, a lot of tension is generated, and the results speak for themselves.

In America, we're a much younger country with a history of diversity. Newcomers to America don't feel the same sense of parochialism and tribalism that newcomers to Europe do. One of the downsides to that is encourages people to come here (America remains by far the destination of choice for immigrants). The extremely individualistic nature of Americans is of course a big double edged sword, and to be honest I just don't know if the passage of time (and a possible generations' long immigration stoppage) will ever tone down our nature. You could argue that the inherent excesses and individualism of Americans is precisely distinct to our character; a feature, not a bug.

For the record, the most tribalistic peoples in America are blacks and the Scots-Irish whites of Appalachia. That's why there isn't much "growth" in Appalachia, and it's also why blacks (and their sponsors) do so much wailing about gentrification and "black bodies". As you might imagine, to the Chamber of Commerce types heavily black areas and Appalachia are not exactly a model for turbo-capitalism, precisely because outsiders are so unwelcome.

Feryl said...

People from the MENA are of course incredibly tribalistic. So when large numbers of them move to Europe (or Asia) you naturally get two a clash between rival tribes. People in the Anglo diaspora (most of all the Teutonic whites) don't think of themselves as part of a "tribe", but rather, more like the descendants of stubborn Brits who wanted more freedom. And this legacy makes it inherently difficult to maintain consistent coalitions and camaraderie that's necessary to band together and stop outsiders from intrusions for many generations.

Anglo-Teutonic culture is fine and dandy when it's not besieged by wave after wave of foreigners, like how Britain was for centuries (quarrels between Teutons and Celts, and Protestants and Catholics, provided enough drama). Or like how America became in the 1940's-1960's, when a lot of good will and high trust was created by most Silents and Boomers present in America at that time being native-born Americans. But the inherent problems associated with classical liberalism will be greatly intensified in the face of too much diversity and immigration, which exposes how weak we are at doing things on tribal terms.

Audacious Epigone said...

216,

The big question is whether it's just cultural and political or whether it's bred into us on account of our being outbred. Outside the Hajnal line, whites aren't suicidally pathologically altruistic.

Yes, we cannot support organizations that hate us. We were considering my 4yo son becoming a scout. Not anymore.

chris,

Our perception of the rule of law has really taken a thrashing over the last few years. Trust in institutions is collapsing as a result. The corruption and rot is everywhere visible in a way that it wasn't even ahead of the Iraq War. Today's social media may have made the Iraq War untenable.

BadMoonReflections,

I'm more sanguine about how the USG will respond today. Something like Waco couldn't be pulled off now without the federal government looking positively monstrous. People won't put up with large-scale government violence against peaceful citizens in large numbers. If California or Texas elected a governor who ran explicitly on seceding from the US, the USG would do its damnedest to defeat that aspiring governor, but if he won inspire of it, the army wouldn't be called in.

Anon,

Hard to argue with that. Otoh, Ted Cruz and of course Trump were uniformly hostile to the media throughout their entire presidential campaigns. Together they got 70% of Republican primary votes.

Sid,

Steve King says and does some great things, but he's fundamentally a tradcon evangelical-turned-Catholic. His alt right cred is incidental.

Ron Paul never had a chance, but he was the most salient figure political libertarianism has ever had by a long shot. Libertarianism only appeals to high-IQ white men. Fortunately identitarianism's potential appeal is broader. That's why we need our own Ron Paul.

I don't think Bernie did much to affect the Democratic Party. If anything, they succeeded in turning him from someone denouncing open borders as a Koch Brothers idea to just another old cuck

Right. What made Ron Paul so successful is he refused to compromise for the sake of expediency. Sanders is the polar opposite--whenever the cultMarxists say "jump!", he instinctively asks "how high?" He couldn't even stand up to a couple of sassy black women. How's he going to stand up to the entire establishment? Rhetorical.

krusty,

Heh, that's a wonderful wish list. Pretty ambitious.

Lineman,

I intentionally hide email account information. Gab or twitter are good back channels. Message me on one of those platforms.

Dan,

You planted a seed in me awhile back. Three is now a floor rather than a ceiling.

Jonathan,

I'd second that unless yours has been particularly good on the National Question (like Steve King). The Paul Ryan wannabe in my cucked district? I'll be voting for his Democrat challenger.

Audacious Epigone said...

Feryl,

Derb tries to square this circle with his pithy call for "libertarianism within one country".

Feryl said...


Blacks are indifferent to immigration because they see their primary adversary as being The Man, e.g. higher-status people in America who usually are white and native-born. Also, since blacks have maintained their numbers, their primary concern remains keeping their culture distinct and unmolested. How do they think that can be accomplished? By using PC and the media, and multi-culturalism, to inveigh against mass incarceration and "police brutality" (read: white authority), "gentrification", and "institutional racism" (read: expectation of adherence to white norms).

Besides these kinds of buzzwords being simplistic totems of black identity, they also bring to mind African tribalism and spirituality. The above buzzwords represent a kind of supernatural malevolence that must be warded off at all times.

Blacks thrown into prison, rough up by police, and pushed out of neighborhoods by rising property values are all seen as a menace which weakens black culture and therefore adds to the possiblity that black numbers might decline, and blacks won't have as much clout to get their way. It's astonishing how durable this sense of preservation is, in comparison to how many middle aged whites are A-OK with their country vanishing before their eyes as long as their taxes are low, the coffee is good, and the internet is fast.

In all likelihood, until whites make up less than 50% of the middle-upper classes (which isn't as far fetched as you might think, given that in California and Texas I would bet good money that the generations born after circa 1990 are much less white than older generations, and a fair portion of California's higher classes are not people who look like Ron Howard or Jennifer Lawrence), I suspect that blacks will remain primarily opposed to typically American born whites rather than hordes of invaders who tend to be of a lower class.

WRT California, I've long wondered how many of the so-called whites are from the class of Steve Sailer's Deep-Voiced Men with Gold Chains neologism. People from the MidEast, North Africa, and Southeastern Europe began to move heavily into California in the 70's, and some of them became middle class or higher. This trend only intensified in subsequent decades. California probably has, by a good margin, the most diverse class of elites. And I haven't even mentioned Asians, either.

Blacks have actually improved on their pop. numbers in California compared to 1960. Wow. That says it all. In the epicenter for Anglo-sphere diversity, black numbers haven't really declined. Why should they feel threatened by immigration?

Feryl said...

*pop. numbers per capita*. The nominal pop. of whites in Cali. is similar now to what it was in 1960, but obviously per-capita the numbers of whites are way down.

BTW, assuming that the Census was counting Deep-Voiced Men with Gold Chains as white, even taking that into account the Census showed California whites declining from 89% of the population in 1970 to 66.6% of the pop. in 1980 (!!!!!).

The confrontation with California's decadent elites and alien hordes (whose values then spread elsewhere) has been decades in the making, much like how in the lead-up to the Civil War the Deep South and it's pop. of crooked elites and alien blacks grew more and more threatening to the rest of the country.

The economic growth of greater diversity as first seen in California: financially measurable

The ignominious loss of cultural stability and social capital that occurred in just one decade: priceless

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Anonymous said...

Implying the Japanese and Koreans are also a threat? That’s laughable. Considering Japan hasn’t taken in any MudSlime refugees and South Korean is an ethnostate with a Muslim population less than the population of Roanoke VA, kept in line by the simple fact they are locked in to a peninsula. No Sharia law there and It’s “Korea for Koreans”. Everyone else is a tolerates nuisance. At this point we oughta just team up with the Asians and purge everyone else

Jonathan Centauri said...

Feryl, I doubt that blacks actually have a "culture". They have NEVER left The Stone Age. They act tribally cause that is the state of Stone Age hominids I expect. You can see it here. Even though they haven't been BORN into a Tribe, they create one for themselves. Those aren't "gangs", they're actually ARTIFICIAL TRIBES. Crime is just what they do anyway since they do not believe in rules.
There are Tribes and there are Nations. They cannot co-exist. You may like pizza. You may like cabbage stew. There are quite a variety of cuisines. BUT, you mix it all together and you get GARBAGE.

TheAccomodator said...

"For it to be viable, either political dissolution will have to occur or democracy will have to go."

This seems far from improbable. Betting on exactly when a Nash equilibrium resets is a fool's errand, but when it does it happens remarkably quickly (austrohungarian empire, soviet communism).