Saturday, March 10, 2018


Anatoly Karlin assumes the herculean task of quantifying the JQ (Z-Man recently did the same). The first thing Karlin tackles is whether or not Jews tend to be "more loyal to Israel than [this country/to the countries they live in]".

From nearly its inception through the mid-nineties, the GSS asked respondents how much they like or dislike various countries. The following graph shows percentages who gave the country in question the highest "like" rating possible.

In the case of the evaluation of Israel, the response pool is restricted to those who religiously identify as Jewish. For all other countries, the response pools are restricted to those who ethnically identify with each of the countries under consideration. That is, bar for Israel shows what percentage of Jewish respondents really like Israel, the bar for China shows what percentage of ethnically Chinese respondents really like China, etc (N = 1,888):

Most of this data was collected during the Cold War so the negative sentiments towards China and especially Russia are not particularly surprising (and, I guess, modestly reassuring--or at least providing of some excuse for boomer civic nationalism during its heyday).

Some obscure Jew once said a man cannot serve two masters, but the great GOPe hope disagrees.

GSS variables used: ETHNIC(3-4,5,9,16,23), RELIG(3), ISRAEL, CHINA, JAPAN, ENGLAND, RUSSIA, CANADA


Jim Bowery said...

By the way, I finally located not only county-level Jewish population, but about 700 other county-level time-series measures drawn from It just required writing a Perl script to overcome their rather inconvenient presentation: One measure per download. So I'm going to be cleaning it into a unified TSV thence "R" datafile for CRAN and rebooting the Social Causality Prize I (which HeroX cancelled after disabling their payments system for prize purses). Time-series will help immensely with inferring causality. Moreover, the book "Patchwork Nation", hence the dataset, is relatively immune to accusations of being right-leaning. Also, I've gotten the Gapminder dataset cleaned and imported (with permission) as well as the rather limited county-level dataset left by the US Census in the aftermath of the Obama administration's monkeying with that source of data to obscure reality.

IHTG said...

Unless you're being cute, this graph looks like it's showing Israeli-Americans rather than all Jews?

Audacious Epigone said...


County-level Jewish population numbers? How? That's not asked about in the Census, so what organization has data that fine grained? Interesting!


Not being cute, being sloppy. I've changed it to Jews. That, of course, makes it 'worse' in terms of perceived loyalty. Jews from non-Israel, living in the US, love Israel more than Japanese living in the US love Japan!

Anonymous said...

This is a highly midleading use of data which is not up to the analytical standard that you usually display.

1) Unlike the other countries listed, Israel is not a country which people, or their parents, grandparents, or great-grandparents, generally emigrated to the US from. In some of the other cases, feelings of ethnic pride are obviously tempered knowing that someone had to leave for some bad political or economic reason. This would be especially strong in cold-war era China and Russia, where many (most) Americans of those backgrounds would be dissidents from the communist regimes. And Canada - who would come to the US from Canada other than someone who found it too provincial or too cold for their tastes? And there is no Canadian ethnicity. All in all, a strange hodge-podge of non-comparable countries.

but more importantly

2) By restricting the sample to those who identify religiously as Jewish, you are missing almost all of the anti-Israel Jews - those of the anti-Israel left, and selecting for people for whom tradition is obviously more important. I'm sure if you restricted to the sample of Japanese to practicing Shintos the Japanese pride number would be much higher!

In order for such an analysis to have any meaning, you would instead have to a) include all Jews - practicing or not, and also b) compare to a country that did not have the same glaring "push" factors as some of these others. There is an (almost) obvious answer: Italy. Most Italian-Americans are descended from ancestors who left regions before or only shortly after those regions became part of Italy, so they could have a similar sentimental attachment that a Jew can have to Israel, untainted by the unavoidable fact that their ancestor really didn't like that particular "country." So why didn't you at least include Italy in the chart? Was the data not available, or did a big tall histogram bar for that one visually negate the conclusion you wanted?

Audacious Epigone said...


There is no way in the GSS to identify if people are ethnically Jewish but do not identify as Jewish. However, 'religious' Jews are far less likely to believe in God than members of other religions. The percentages who "know God exists", by stated religious affiliation:

Protestant -- 73.8%
Catholic -- 62.9%
Jewish -- 31.4%
No religion -- 20.9%
Muslim -- 74.2%

Sure, there are some ethnic Jews in the "no religion" category, but they're only marginally less theistic than self-identified Jews. Since practicing Jews presumably mostly believe in God, there are presumably a lot of secular Jews in the Jewish figure.

I wish the GSS asked about more countries, but the only ones it asked about, in addition to the ones listed in the post, are Brazil and Egypt. There are no ethnic categories for those two nationalities (and their presence at the time was probably too small for adequate sample sizes anyway).

As for the analysis "hav[ing] any meaning", mileage will vary. I do this as a hobby, no compensation. I'm not making any strong claims, just presenting what I find and speculating on as much.

Glen Filthie said...

LOL. What is an 'ethnic' Canadian? We are about as 'ethnic' as you Americans are.

Audacious Epigone said...

Glen Filthie,

Yeah, it's kind of silly but the GSS asks about it so for the sake of fulness it's included here. It also has an "American" option, which seems to mostly get chosen by Appalachian-type whites ("Scots-Irish").

Dan said...

I don't have a problem with dual loyalty. I want America to be great and I also want my maternal homeland of Austria to be great. The extraordinary frustration I have with (many, not all) Jews is not dual loyalty but the seemingly common phenomenon of wanting the best for Israel while attacking American patriotism. If it was merely dual loyalty, I wouldn't mind, I think.

I think it will take American patriot Jews to really call out this shit. Henry Kissinger called this out many years ago and it is high time for Jewish American patriots to call out this problem again

Audacious Epigone said...


Besides trying to transform the country, the thing that really sticks in my craw is how many of those with putative dual loyalties so condescendingly tell us that "who we are" is, in fact, who we are not. Or at any rate historically were not and are only becoming so through deceit and treachery.

Jonathan Centauri said...

This Year: The Lincoln Party will spend 2018 appealing to people who call them racists and criticize their outdated policies. They will pass the racism charges down to their voters who they will tell to surrender their country to foreigners. They will have the most diverse field ever in 2018. They will lose the House, Senate, State Houses and every office down to the county level. They will say they still have dignity.

2018. The Year Democracy Died.