Thursday, March 29, 2018

Gun-grabbing geezers

Over the last several weeks I've talked to several people about guns. Without fail, every one has been surprised to learn that young people are the less supportive of gun-grabbing than old folks are. Reuters-Ipsos polling shows it and the GSS corroborates. The major media's mendacity strikes again--though in fairness, NPR (!) has given it some attention.

The following table shows the percentages of respondents who favor requiring permits to be obtained before gun purchases are allowed (N = 7,438):

It's a crowded graphic, but the takeaway is that while age differences are minor, the trend is clear--across race and political affiliation, those under the age of 30 are the least restrictive of gun ownership. It should come as no surprise that the average age of the useful idiots out marching is over forty (unmarried, childless, and owners of a pussy prides).

GSS variables used: GUNLAW, AGE, PARTYID(0-1)(5-6), HISPANIC(1)(2-50), RACECEN1(1)(2)


Sid said...

This is one reason why I largely agree with progs who say teenagers should be allowed to vote.

I agree - we need to get Gen Z to the voting booths sooner rather than later!

Thales said...

Boomers must go back.

mark auld said...

I resemble that remark! As a gunner geezer, I am pleased and relieved to hear that the Z's be woken.

Toddy Cat said...

That just means that those of us over fifty who are in favor of gun rights have to work twice as hard. Still embarrassing, though...

Andrew Smith said...

So right around 73% of ALL Americans favor some form of permit for gun ownership?

That sounds like a REALLY high number. Is this maybe a result of the wording of the question being asked?

Wency said...

When I went to my concealed carry permit class a few years ago (at a rural gun shop in a red state), I noticed some people (I think all of them unescorted older women, probably mostly divorcees or widows) who seemed to think that this was a class you have to take to get a gun. I believe some of them had never even fired a gun before. They thought this was the equivalent of driver's ed.

So a lot of people who are not familiar with firearms, including even some women whose husbands own guns, may think this is already the law. They just never paid close attention to their man's gun hobby.

Also, in some blue states, isn't it the case that you need a permit, at least for handguns and maybe assault rifles?

So the majority of people answering "yes" to this are probably just agreeing with what they understand to be the status quo.

Random Dude on the Internet said...

Off topic but here's an interesting link:

A coincidence that after wall funding got shut down that now we have this massive caravan of "natural conservatives"

Feryl said...


America still has a young country curse. Pre-1946, all European countries were extremely chauvinistic and xenophobic; to this day the Slavic and Baltic countries still are. Africans, Middle Easterners, and Asians are still taught to feel nationalistic pride which means rejecting the entry of immigrants into their homelands by default.

The New World has been very ethnically volatile since the arrival of large numbers of Europeans. North America, Latin America, and Australia/New Zealand haven't had the same ethnic make-up for 800 years or whatever. New England was founded by puritans, with a few friendly Indian tribes along for the ride. Flash forward to 1900, and Catholic whites were arriving en masse, thereby heavily altering the ethnic character of New England. If you have ancestral roots in an area for a thousand years, and most or all of your neighbors share these roots, it motivates you to keep an area mono-ethnic. It's worth pointing out violence in older countries is often very tribal and collective; we now see historic ethnic rivalries being imported into LA and so forth; centuries of war and "disses" are transmitted through ancestral memories and are difficult to shake; if you grew up in the Old World and/or are surrounded by co-ethnics who did.. Protestant Irish and Catholic Irish people fought each other when both were imported to America and Canada. I heard an American Boomer talk about rivalries between Sicilians and other kinds of Italians that Italian immigrant parents or grandparents told their American kids about; these things just don't matter as much to people raised in the New World, esp. because immigration from Italy stopped 90 years ago..

To restore order, it's key to halt immigration. In the 1950's and beyond, Italian Americans born after 1925 became accustomed to Italian immigrants all being of an older generation, that just kept getting older as time went on. That helps younger generations forget about Old World culture.

We don't need recently settled ethnic groups getting heavy doses of old world culture provided by endless waves of immigrants from the motherland. New World countries need to maintain a certain ethnic structure for a LONG period of time to be rid of an indifference to higher levels of immigration.

Western Europe is unique because, uh, Hitler. Western Europe created Hitler and is deeply ashamed of anything nationalistic. The lingering embarrassment combined with the prosperity of the Post-war West has wrecked the will of white Western people to defend themselves. Things considered common sense before 1946 were subsequently attacked as being things that Hitler approved of. Consider: before 1946, you couldn't discredit someone by calling them a "neo-Nazi" or a "white-nationalist".

Audacious Epigone said...


They should be careful what they wish for.


Exile beats something in -cide, so I guess they should be happy to hear that.

Mark Auld,

As social trust continues to plummet, one silver lining will be fewer and fewer people willing to give up their guns.

Toddy Cat,

Double down, you have to ground to make up!


It is a surprising high figure across the board, but the question is pretty straightforward. Verbatim from the GSS:

"Would you favor or oppose a law which would require a person to obtain a police permit before he or she could buy a gun?"


The ignorance of the general population wrt firearms in a putatively gun-loving nation is something to behold. That could go some way in explaining why the results are so similar across demographic groups.


Steve Sailer calls this phenomenon "Hitler's revenge".