Thursday, February 22, 2018

It's okay to be white

The women's hockey team thinks so, or at least one heroine among them does.

My wife had the replay from last night's game on. As we were watching the medals being given out, I made note of how aesthetically pleasing this line of healthy, nubile white women singing the national anthem and waving the stars and stripes was. As the flags of the US, Canada, and Norway were raised, I joked with my wife that #OlympicsSoWhite.

Then NBC cut to video of the team photo being taken:


Maybe there's a mundane hockey-centric meaning of the "it's okay" sign that I'm unaware of, but it looks like our girl wants the whole world to see that, indeed, it's okay to be white.

Nine of these women are Zs. Is this one? If she's a late millennial, well, she's just a little ahead of the curve!

48 comments:

IHTG said...

What...this was supposed to be a fake meme thing.

The Z Blog said...

Ahem. All of these women are Z's.

My shadow grows.

Anonymous said...

It's more likely the circle game.

Audacious Epigone said...

IHTG,

The fake 'white power' prank and media freakout came first; "it's okay to be white" came after. Don't know if the latter consciously, unconsciously, or just coincidentally followed from the former, but it works particularly well in this case.

Z,

Hah, if one or more of these girls aren't listeners, we can bet they have some friends and relatives who do.

Anon,

I suppose it's possible, though that game has been around forever--I remember it when I was in high school--and on video she was 'throwing' it a few times. In the circle game it's kept still. There is a trend of these "it's okay to be white" photo bombs. The circle game to no one standing in front seems bizarrely out of place.

akarlin said...

I imagine it's at least 10x likelier that she was slightly mischievously making a sixth Olympic ring.

Women are not interested in Alt Right /pol/ memes.

silly girl said...


"Women are not interested in Alt Right /pol/ memes."

Well, some are.

Random Dude on the Internet said...

> Well, some are.

How silly!

Joe H said...

U have been watching Harry Potter movies with my young son. People complaining about how white the Winter Olympics are should say they are whiter than a quidditch match. If you want to talk about someone using minorities as props and never giving them anything important to do, JK Rowling is the world's champion, not only in quidditch --throughout her book series. Saying this should really trigger her and the SJW's among her fans.

Audacious Epigone said...

Anatoly,

Sure, but some are.

The whole team? Of course not. But one shield maiden? It's not inconceivable.

Joe H,

Hogwarts is awfully white, isn't it?

Anonymous said...

https://twitter.com/worstpoaster/status/967254058397417472

Gen Z blackpill?

Sid said...

Anon,

The "activists" who have emerged have done so through the active work of the media. Countervailing voices against the narrative aren't being given access to the megaphone.

Of course, not every Gen Z white will be based. I haven't heard anything that suggests it's getting easier to be admitted to a high-ranking university, and selling out to the Cathedral is almost surely the best way to get accepted.

That's fine. The sooner the universities lose what remains of their old prestige, the better for us. The younger branches of Gen Z and the upcoming Gen Alpha should see university as a place where strivers sell their souls, rather than a citadel of learning and socio-economic success.

Corvinus said...

Simply put, Americans are proud of their Olympians for their athletic achievements.

But leave it the Coalition of the Right Fringe Groups and the Coalition of the Left Fringe Groups to make it about race.

sykes.1 said...

At some point, the powers-that-be will realize she's flipping a white power sign, and they will destroy her.

DaDZ said...

But leave it the Coalition of the Right Fringe Groups and the Coalition of the Left Fringe Groups to make it about race.

Everything is about race. We're well passed the "regular hard workin' folks don't care about race. Thy're just proud of their Olynpians cuz they done real good for R country" boiler plate.

Audacious Epigone said...

Sid,

Right. There are lots of Zs in the college pipeline now who are going to be even more disillusioned and betrayed by its promises than millennials were.

sykes,

Must confess I thought there'd be some attention given to this, but it looks like it's going to go by completely unnoticed.

DadZ,

Right. There are a subset of whites who don't make it about race. Everyone else does.

DaDZ said...

Right. There are a subset of whites who don't make it about race. Everyone else does

And unfortunately ours is the only race that has such a subset. "The others" are completely unburdened by the need to keep up appearances and they don't seem to give a shit who notices.

I still have friends who buy into the "Most people don't care about race." "My black/brown friend from grad school isn't like that." B.S. My guess is they sense the open disdain being directed at them and they need some way to feel safe. What they don't realize is that they're diverse "friend" would throw them over in a heartbeat in favor of a total stranger as long as their colors matched

Corvinus said...

AE...

"Right. There are lots of Zs in the college pipeline now who are going to be even more disillusioned and betrayed by its promises than millennials were."

That is the narrative the Alt Right desperately pushes. Generation Z's appeal to Trump was in essence an anti-Hillary campaign; she had a stilted way of speaking and campaigning that turned young people off, as opposed to Obama, who was very popular with young people during his stump for the presidency. But what about the political views of Generation Z in high school? Well, their line of thinking tends to be unsophisticated and less nuanced, and that is no fault of their own, as their brains have yet to fully develop. They are in the developmental stage of their personal ideology. And Trumps' appeal to male Generation Z'ers probably had more to do with his Bad Boy persona and bombastic "Build The Wall" speeches, rather than his alleged hard core conservative principles. Remember, he is a showman, and works the crowd by giving them what they want in order to hear the roars of approval to feed his ego. But Trump must be thankful of the Republican controlled Congress for for having his agenda--which in reality are the planks of the GOP--come to fruition.

It would appear that The Alt Right is merely an inverse of 60's left-wing protest movements, at it bitterly lambasts Boomers for their lack of explicit ethnocentrism, their absolute rejection of patriarchy, and their total failure to maintain America’s old demographic characteristics and racial hierarchy. But does the majority of Generation Z even buy into these arguments? Will they be "properly convinced" to head in this direction in order to preserve Anglo-European values? We shall see if the Alt-Right makes perfect sense to Generation Z if they buy into the notion white people need ethnic representation of their own to counter leftist policies. Hence, the Alt Right has a vested interest in aggressively marketing themselves to Generation Z considering it "foolishly" skews left when it comes to race and gender. The Alt Right just cannot wrap their head around how Generation Z generally gets along with the "darkie hordes" and thus has little worries that this group would end up "turning on them and slit their throat".

Corvinus said...

The United States has always fielded overwhelmingly white Winter Olympic teams, which is other than surprising considering ice sports are predominantly played by white athletes due to a host of historical, cultural, and socioeconomic factors.

Which is fine. However...

Mike Eruzione, former Olympic hockey champion--“All American athletes, we come from different backgrounds, we all have different heritage and we’re very diverse. We know we’re diverse as a country, but our team was very diverse.”

Damn him! He should be telling Generation Z that non-whites should not even dare soil this sacred ground.

Oh, that's right, Jordan Greenway, a 20-year-old forward at Boston University, became the first African-American hockey player, male or female, to make an Olympics roster. “I’ve been able to accomplish a lot of good things and just allowing a lot of African-American kids who are younger than me who see kind of what I’m doing, I hope that can be an inspiration for them,” Greenway told Sporting News. “Go out and do something different against the typical stereotypes that most African-Americans play basketball, or whatever the case is.”

I wonder how the women's Olympic Hockey team, in particular the Generation Z'ers, that just won gold feels about his inclusion in "their sport".


Random Dude on the Internet said...

> https://twitter.com/worstpoaster/status/967254058397417472

Gen Z blackpill?

It's nothing more than shameless astroturfing and the backlash has set in a couple days ago.

You have to realize that 2018 has not been a good year for the left. The economy is strong, the Russia probe isn't coming up with anything, no Democrat frontrunner is emerging like it was for Obama at this stage in 2006, polling showing that generic Republicans do better than generic Democrats, etc. The media has found something that they think they can transform into something that can finally get the left energized enough to show up. Only problem is that gun rights is an issue that finally awakens the sleeping boomercons. Gun control is absolutely a losing issue and the NRA set will crush any half assed astroturf event that people, CNN especially, seem to be conjuring up.

DaDZ said...

Corvinus,

“All American athletes, we come from different backgrounds, we all have different heritage and we’re very diverse. We know we’re diverse as a country, but our team was very diverse.”
- Mike Eruzione


“I’ve been able to accomplish a lot of good things and just allowing a lot of African-American kids who are younger than me who see kind of what I’m doing, I hope that can be an inspiration for them,” Greenway told Sporting News. “Go out and do something different against the typical stereotypes that most African-Americans play basketball, or whatever the case is.”
- Jordan Greenway

So in the case of Eruzione, we have a WHITE athlete talking about diversity and inclusiveness, so as not to exclude any one race. Notice his use of the phrase "All Americans," and the words "We," and "diversity."

In the case of Greenway, he uses no such language. He is a BLACK athlete talking about being a role model exclusively for BLACKS.

Are you getting it yet? Anyway, thanks for strengthening the Alt-Right position with your post.

Audacious Epigone said...

Corvinus,

Suspect you're correct with regard to Trump's strong appeal to Gen Z high schoolers, as I've pointed out here multiple times here.

Don't know what you're talking about with regards to how Gen Z will reject the alt right. Most will do so (for now) but a larger percentage of Gen Z white men will embrace it than millennial white men, Xer white men, or boomer white men will. Same dynamic with generational cohorts among women.

DadZ,

Ha, well put.

This is ALWAYS the case. White cucks celebrating non-white success (or the rainbow nature of all success); non-whites consistently, reliably, always celebrating the success of their own group.

Dan said...

Trigger warning:

Corvinus, please do not read any of what I am about to write. You be so triggered that you'll try to write endless stuff in response.

Its pretty clear that this Olympics showed something other than what Corvinus thinks it did.

(1) How about the Norwegians?

There is some kind of crazy Trump effect going on there. Just like how Trump's random comments mocking global warming at the start of the new year were followed by two weeks of record cold, Trump said 'gee wouldn't it be great if we got more Norwegians' and then the Norwegians proceeded to utterly dominate the entire world.

The Norwegians? Yes, the very people that American Nazis seem to idolize right down to the ancient religion, the Norse nation of a mere 5 million, buried America and everyone else. Norway also took away our record of the most medals by any country in any Winter Olympics, set by the US in 2010 in Vancouver.

Second place in medals? Probably the Germans.

(2) Did any black person win a single medal of any color at these Olympics out of the roughly 300 that have been awarded? It appears the answer is no. Did any Hispanic win any medals? Not that I am aware of.

(3) Shani Davis, the black speedskater who refused to attend the opening ceremony of the Olympics because a coin flip was racist?

He finished seventh in his race and left the way he came, pouting.

(4) Well at least the Olympics was really gay, right?

Um, about that. All these gay skaters were performing the heterosexual ideal.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/gay-olympians-are-accidentally-proving-why-same-sex-marriage-is-wrong

Corvinus said...

AE...

"Don't know what you're talking about with regards to how Gen Z will reject the alt right. Most will do so (for now) but a larger percentage of Gen Z white men will embrace it than millennial white men, Xer white men, or boomer white men will. Same dynamic with generational cohorts among women."

That percentage of Generation Z men who will embrace the Alt Right will be a rather small percentage. Sure, there will be growth, as in any movement that will offer appeal to individual members of this group. But ethnic nationalism? A return to patriarchy? Repatriation? These issues are for the most part other than palatable with today's Generation Z, who I keep hearing how they generally spineless critters with little sense of their (white) past. It is extremely unlikely that the Alt Right will have a substantial and sustained impact on Generation Z men. You are going to have to step up your own indoctrination, I mean recruitment, efforts big time. See, that's great that you, Brett Stevens, Vox Day, Mark Citadel and the guys/gals over at Red Pill TV offer content. But what is needed is leadership in the form of constant and visible political action, not the same intellectual efforts that are only seen by blog readers. Boots on the ground, not brain trusts. Are you and others willing to make the required sacrifices?

Dan...

"Corvinus, please do not read any of what I am about to write. You be so triggered that you'll try to write endless stuff in response."

What sweet nothings you write.

"Its pretty clear that this Olympics showed something other than what Corvinus thinks it did."

The Winter Olympics is about athletic competition. The Norwegian athletes are strong at those sports. Not rocket science here. And considering there were few non-whites competing, which has been historically the case, it is other than surprising that they failed to medal.

"Shani Davis, the black speedskater who refused to attend the opening ceremony of the Olympics because a coin flip was racist?"

He's an idiot. Next question.

"Um, about that. All these gay skaters were performing the heterosexual ideal."

Performing, the operative word here, at a competition where the tradition in the Olympics, even recognized by gay skaters, is the norm. There are separate categories--men, women, mixed pairs. There is no clamoring to change this tradition considering there are very few homosexuals in figure skating. Consider there is not a groundswell of support among gay skaters to add other categories, since they have the opportunity to skate. They are not being denied access. So the Olympics in this context is at the micro level. It is not the "heterosexual ideal", it is the competition ideal, which just happens to be traditional gender roles.

The viewers of figure skating are generally puzzled why sexuality has remained such a dominant talking point, but leave it to the Coalition of the Right Fringe groups and the Coalition of the Left Fringe groups seek to politicize everything. Congratulations on your accomplishment, your children must be proud of their daddy.

DaDZ...

"In the case of Greenway, he uses no such language. He is a BLACK athlete talking about being a role model exclusively for BLACKS."

In the proper context that this sport will become diversified and representative of all people in our society. Greenway ultimately agrees with Eruzione, and Eruzione would certainly identify and respect where Greenway is coming from.

"Are you getting it yet? Anyway, thanks for strengthening the Alt-Right position with your post."

The train is fine, the train is fine.

DaDZ said...

In the proper context that this sport will become diversified and representative of all people in our society. Greenway ultimately agrees with Eruzione, and Eruzione would certainly identify and respect where Greenway is coming from.

Corvinus

"Proper context" is your attempt at a reframe when the statements quoted clearly don't mesh with your blank slate ideal. I have yet to see any minority dominated institution (whether it is a particular sport, a university, or a business) put under scrutiny by outside forces for its lack of diversity. And I sure as hell doubt that pressure would ever come from within such an organization.

If winter sports become more racially diverse as a result of greater minority participation, then that's what happens. However, if the 2022 US Men's Speed Skating team is 98.8 percent black, I don't predict we'll see many of the members bemoaning a lack of white participation. Also, what the hell is the train are you referring to?

Anonymous said...

@Dan said

Sorry to burst your bubble, but one of Team Germany's gold medal bobsledders IS black: Mariama Jamanka.

Team Canada's bronze medal bobsledder is also black: Phyllicia George.

Team USA's silver medal bobsledders are a mulatto woman and a black woman. Stop pleading ignorance. "Not that I'm aware of" is a stupid excuse.

There have been plenty of non-black colored people on Team USA and Team Canada that have won medals.

As for other colored people, I notice you're not mentioning South Korea, Japan, or China...because they are inconvenient to you. Just as liberals like to ignore East Asia or its peoples cause they destroy the liberal excuses for blacks and Hispanics, the "alt-right" like to ignore East Asia because it destroys YOUR narrative that "only white people can be competent at activities abc and xyz".

Your dumbass "alt-right" ideology is just as far from the truth as leftism.

Audacious Epigone said...

Corvinus,

We go around and around on this.

A seismic shift in the political landscape will be predicated on a system crash, something like 2008 but more severe. There are lots of signs of instability, and a lot of different ways for the thing to collapse, most notably the dollar losing its world reserve status. Very few people understand what a drastic decline in living standards that will bring to us.

Again, the alt right is laying the groundwork by hollowing out trust in all the corrupt institutions in society. When a crash comes, many of those institutions will come crumbling down.

Dan said...


Anonymous at 9:13 wrote:

"
As for other colored people, I notice you're not mentioning South Korea, Japan, or China...because they are inconvenient to you. Just as liberals like to ignore East Asia or its peoples cause they destroy the liberal excuses for blacks and Hispanics, the "alt-right" like to ignore East Asia because it destroys YOUR narrative that "only white people can be competent at activities abc and xyz"."

You don't know me or this blog at all. I been a regular on this blog for a decade, and it far predates the alt-reich LARPers who you wish to go up against.

The outperformance of Asians on various metrics has been well-noted on this blog and other HBD blogs like Steve Sailer's for many, many years. Long before the alt-retards showed up. You demonstrate your utter ignorance and newness to the scene when you show up at a blog that predates these Nazi LARPers by many many years and think you are going up against them.

This is from six years ago, when I had already been a regular on this blog for years, and long before you ever discovered this blog.

http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2012/06/asians-like-ice-people.html

Here is Steve Sailer from more than 20 years ago:

https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/color/articles/sailer.html

Steve Sailer, the ancestor of the HDB-sphere, has been presenting test score data for many, many years, with the outperformance of East Asians being a frequent topic.

https://isteve.blogspot.com/2011/09/unsilenced-silence-blog-has-good-graph.html

Anon and Corvinus show up proud that their primordial eyes have recently developed the ability to sense not only to see light and dark splotches but also two different shades of gray. There is no possibility to describe what it like to be able to properly see, to someone like that.

Dan said...

I found a picture of the women's bobsled silver medalist. She looks white to me.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DW4P2EBW0AAnW8K.jpg:large


Anonymous said...

@dan said

Lol if it wasn't for her daddy she'd be a streetwalker turning tricks.

Here's a photo of the GOLD medalists for bobsled: https://www.bz-berlin.de/data/uploads/2018/02/gold-1_1519316047-768x432.jpg

Eat your heart out.

Dan said...

Anon @ 4:19 -- Don't be intimidated by beautiful women, just up your game. Have you considered heartiste.wordpress.com ? That should be the first stop for the hapless man. You will find that the proprietor of that blog is much more careful about tender millennial sensitivities than I am. I apologize if I hurt your feelings.

Corvinus said...

AE...

Are you not moving the goalposts here? Before, it seemed you said that Generation Z’s path to the Alt Right cause is inevitable regardless of the collapse of the American Empire. Now, it appears you are saying the Alt Right will rise, with Generation Z in tow, only when the SHTF, which is a matter of time. Are you neglecting to take into account the elitists and their Jewish toadies (or is it the other way around) “in case of financial meltdown, break glass” contingency plans? Do you believe their outright lies exposed by the Alt Right will lead Generation Z to magically rise up and become adherents to the Alt Right’s world view, and to perhaps gleefully slitting leftist throats in the process?

Why on earth would Generation Z, or even normies for that matter, be remotely willing to support a return to patriarchy, a society squarely based on ethnic nationalism, and a government predicated an aristocracy with limits on who is eligible for political participation--ideas promoted by various leaders of the Alt Right? If and when the apocalypse occurs, there will be several competing groups vying for power. Does the Alt Right have the boots on the ground to emerge victorious?

"Again, the alt right is laying the groundwork by hollowing out trust in all the corrupt institutions in society."

Ivory Tower thinking. Again, you and your ilk need to be making headway with everyday people rather than bloviating on a blog to those dedicated to the cause.

"When a crash comes, many of those institutions will come crumbling down."

MAY come crumbling down.


Consider that prominent members of the Alt Right find fault with those “current Americans” who trace their ancestry to the Irish, the Germans, the Italians, and the Slavs. Why? Well, since their relatives were “allowed” to enter America, their undesirable traits have eroded and diluted the customs and traditions created by the original founders of the United States, the English. It is not an issue of being white, but being non-English.

To quote, “The American civic heritage does not ‘transcend ethnicity’, as I [Vox Day], or any other American Indian, can tell you. And it is restricted by geographic extent. The Chinese, the Portuguese, the Swedes, and the British are not Americans…[Moreover], there is nothing exceptional about America except its superior founding stock and its geographic advantages, both of which are now significantly reduced.”

Lucy will have some ‘splaining to do to Generation Z and normies.

Anonymous said...

AE continued...

Moreover, when Alt-Right elitists characterize the general American population, including whites, as being “mal-educated and historically ignorant" about the outright falsehoods of the proposition nation and Judeo-Christian values, they are going to be other than gung-ho with jumping in bed with the Alt Right. Some on the Alt Right has attempted to brand it as being inclusive, i.e. a big tent, but the philosophers that drive the movement will be crying all hands on deck when their pet ideologies are internally questioned and derided. It is also highly likely that a 1/2 Danish, 1/8 Swedish, and an indeterminate amount of Pennsylvania German and Scots-Irish who has Jewish relatives and/or who asks pointed questions about the direction of the movement will ultimately be declared a foe. Because not dedicated enough.

More ‘splaining to do by Lucy.

The plans I have read about a "reboot" regularly consist of Alt-Rightists laying the groundwork for a reclamation project of America when the inevitable catastrophic, nation-destroying event occurs around 2033. Until then, it is "enjoy the decline" mode. There is little need to resuscitate the United States because it is a walking corpse, a multi-national, elitist driven zombie whose days are numbered. And then, as the story goes, people will rise up in relation to their tribal identity and fight! Again, why would whites who decidedly care about "saving" America from its impending doom be subjected to outright contempt by those Alt-Righters who are completely content with the upheaval unfolding?

Now, that tribal identity is predicated upon one’s race being one’s uniform, at least touted by some on the Alt Right. But as John Wright, a science fiction author who is Christian states, "Using race as the uniform of the culture war is stupid. There is no Western Culture outside Christianity. The West consists of Christianity and its heresies and by products, along with whatever of the pagan world, such as Aristotle, the Christians preserved as used to our cause."

Imagine some on the Alt Right having the audacity to claim that 1) the supermajority of Christians are on the "wrong side" and 2) "whites" are on one side and "non-whites" on the other side. Thus, those whites who are Christian but have sympathies to Alt-Right positions are caught in the crossfire--though they prefer to live in a society based on religious identity, not racial identity, that Mexican Catholics and Kenyan Catholics are one of them, white Christians are subsequently labeled "cucks" and "Churchians".

Wright continues..."There are no White Cultures, What Nations, or White nothing. There is Christianity, pre-Christian remnants found in the Jews and Paganism, and postchristian darkness found on the Left...The Alt-Right will survive if it identifies itself with Christianity. Otherwise it will not. All enemies of the Church will die in time."

Still more ‘splaining to do.

Corvinus said...

Then there is the attitude promoted by some on the Alt Right that there are “natural hierarchies” based squarely on genetics. Environment matters little, if at all. Race realism is based on facts and truths that are “self-evident”. If whites do not universally agree, they are labeled “anti-white”. So why on earth would the highly diverse Generation Z become galvanized to embrace a movement that castigates their own personal decisions about race and culture?

Even more ‘splaining to do.

In the end, one has to wonder about the sincerity of those self-described philosophers of the Alt-Right, whether or not their scribes will turn to actions when the hammer falls. They gleefully rationalize any and all types of doomsday scenarios, and take individuals to task those who “foolishly disagree” with their “clear analysis” . The Alt-Right produces beliefs that claim to be based on objective truths, such as race realism and white nationalism, while trumping up their high-status as soothsayers and pontificators, usually from the cozy comforts of a blog. This absurdity continues when their plausible feigned beliefs are dressed up as being sincere thoughts by non-elitists...even though their high and mighty tone is dripping with elitist cache.

As for Alt-Righters, perhaps they are able to consistently speak on a higher intellectual plane in relative “pie in the sky” detail, yet when asked for actual solutions, it certainly seems that they significantly lack in the “nuts and bolts” approach required to carry out their best laid plans to “save” Western Civilization. Interesting how their courses of action require brutal foot soldiers on the front lines, but Alt-Righters prefer to give orders as generals in well-fortified bunkers.

In other words, they are impotent to move forward their thinking from a physical point of view, so they adopt their own brand of virtue signaling. Yet, how are their pithy comments from a blog able to demonstrate forceful power if they remain in the shadows, with the curtains drawn, when raw energy and power is required to whip up the mob and stir up the nest of hornets to sting to death SJW’s, cuckservatives, “vibrants”, and “fake whites”?

Basically, the problem is that the Alt-Right unconsciously seek to generate social status and self-image despite their notions to the contrary. For this reason, they feel an intense pressure to oppose to the social conventions of what intelligent people are supposed to believe. If Alt Right authors are questioned by “mid-wits” about their unfounded generalizations, they ramp up the rhetoric by stating they have a decided more accurate view of reality (because IQ) since their positions are on an apparent higher moral plane, and they refuse to waste their time trying to explain something that is patently “obvious”.

The trouble is, Alt Right philosophy is inherently Machiavellian in nature motivated by delusional fanaticism and by rationalizations of fashionable but pernicious beliefs, no different than extremist feminism or radical Islam.

Corvinus said...

DaDZ...

"Proper context" is your attempt at a reframe when the statements quoted clearly don't mesh with your blank slate ideal."

Thanks for your red herring.

Dan...

"Anon and Corvinus show up proud that their primordial eyes have recently developed the ability to sense not only to see light and dark splotches but also two different shades of gray. There is no possibility to describe what it like to be able to properly see, to someone like that."

Since my junior year of high school I have had the ability to comprehend nuance. You?

"I found a picture of the women's bobsled silver medalist. She looks white to me."

No, she is black, at worst, or mixed, at best.

"Don't be intimidated by beautiful women, just up your game. Have you considered heartiste.wordpress.com ? That should be the first stop for the hapless man."

It is actually Heartiste who is hapless.

It never ceases to amaze how a patently pseudo-intellectual system—the sexual-social hierarchy—is used to explain the glaring mistakes for a man to marry a bi-racial, older, divorced woman, when their impending nuptials is of little or no personal consequence to the detractors. Men, Christian or otherwise, who create and perpetuate that structure make a series of subjective behavioral and personality appraisals as its foundational pieces. Any protestation about this label or refusal to act in the prescribed manner brings about a pejorative response. It may be “convenient” for men to articulate what they believe are definitive aspects of their fellow man’s conduct because they subscribe to this hierarchy, but what about those men who find definitive flaws in how those decisions were arrived? What happens when those men challenge the structure by arguing that the “unvarnished truth of the structure” is in reality a set of assumptions predicated on sophistry? Would God truly judge in this exact manner by calling Christian men betas, gammas, and situational alphas?

The anti-Christian manosphere and feminism are the SAME ENTITY. Anyone who expresses otherwise is merely covering up for the PUA’s inherent predatory, hedonistic nature. He is an ENEMY of the Christian faith.

Heartiste peddles his wares to single men, NOT Christians. The Bible undeniably condemns adultery and sexual immorality, which includes sex outside of marriage, regardless of gender.

Corinthians 7:2–“But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband.” Paul specifies MARRIAGE is the “cure” for sexual immorality, and absolutely called men into question for attempting to “take advantage of unowned women wandering loose”. Once married, men and women are able to fulfill their passions in a moral way. According to God, abstinence is His policy when it comes to sex before marriage.

Audacious Epigone said...

Corvinus,

Alt Right philosophy is inherently Machiavellian in nature motivated by delusional fanaticism and by rationalizations of fashionable but pernicious beliefs, no different than extremist feminism or radical Islam

Vox Day's 16 points?

I'm happy to embrace the alt right label, though this blog predates it by a decade, just as I was happy to embrace the dissident right label that this blog predates by five years. The identitarianism that undergirds the alt right will be more naturally embraced by white Zs than it was white millennials, Xers, or boomers. There are no 60 yos wearing "It's okay to be white" shirts--it's whites half their age who are doing that.

Dan said...

Corvinus wrote,

Corinthians 7:2–“But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband.” Paul specifies MARRIAGE is the “cure” for sexual immorality, and absolutely called men into question for attempting to “take advantage of unowned women wandering loose”. Once married, men and women are able to fulfill their passions in a moral way. According to God, abstinence is His policy when it comes to sex before marriage.

May I ask, Are you married Corvinus? Do you have a family?


Corvinus said...

AE...

“Vox Day's 16 points?”



Which is decidedly not on the radar of the majority of Generation Z, for the aforementioned reasons I gave.

“The identitarianism that undergirds the alt right will be more naturally embraced by white Zs than it was white millennials, Xers, or boomers.”

And now you are tripling down here. There will be your Generation Z stragglers to the Alt Right, but nowhere near the type of crowd you and the Alt Right requires for radical change, for the aforementioned reasons I gave.

“There are no 60 yos wearing "It's okay to be white" shirts--it's whites half their age who are doing that.”

A few here and there, as a way to say “f off” to the system. It’s more of a status symbol rather than a determined effort to purge the world of Jews, globalists, and their anti-white acolytes.


Dan…

“May I ask, Are you married Corvinus? Do you have a family?”

Of course you may ask. I am married. 12 years running. Two young sons. Generation X.

Feryl said...

If anyone is still listening, how 'bout we just ban the phrase "alt-right" if so many people here throw tantrums over it?

What else is there to say? The phrase alt-right was originally a neutral term for younger people who were sick and tired of Dems pandering to trannies, non-whites, and homos and the GOP pandering to the CoC. It only became a slur in later 2016/early 2017, due to the media constantly conflating fringe Nazi idiots with general supporters of Trump and Brexit. Not to mention the flood of trolls who constantly were bombarding everyone with intentionally provocative memes.

Now that we "won", the "alt-right" is more and more focused on getting results from our champions, and less concerned with badgering the Left. There's also sheer burnout to contend with; I think a lot of people on our side get tired pretty fast of monitoring and countering the non-stop animosity and elite propaganda targeted at populist-nationalists. We figured things would be alright if we won, naively expecting elites and anti-fa losers to get over it and get on with their lives. It bears repeating that Hillary and Obama are doing more to thwart a succeeding president than anyone else in American history, with the possible exception of certain Civil War elites (the last low-point in national unity). Hell, they tried to derail Trump with all kinds of BS before he was even in power!

And this Corvinus is starting to look like a troll. If he hates everyone's opinion here, why does he hang around here? The interminable and often religion tinged posts (because if politics aren't enough to bicker about, why not introduce religion, too, even when most of us don't care to hear sermons). Cripes, it's a free country but I'm starting to avoid you on this blog like I avoided that Whiskey guy on Sailer's blog (Whiskey would almost always, without fail, bring up PUA type stuff and black male sexual charisma even when it had no relevance)

Audacious Epigone said...

Corvinus,

Heartiste 'peddles' Game as a tool and he explains why it is effective. How that tool is used is up to the user. He regularly mentions how various tactics can be used for seduction but also to shore up existing relationships, including marriages.

Corvinus said...

AE...

"Heartiste 'peddles' Game as a tool and he explains why it is effective."

His sole purpose is to get single, married, and/or religious to have sex with women outside of marriage through mindfucking. And consider that Heartiste is not married and has no white offspring, which renders him uncivilized in the eyes of the Alt Right. Listen, I get it, he is a useful ally even though he is a damaging aspect to Western Civilization similar to SJW's. Both are cut from the same cloth.

"How that tool is used is up to the user."

True, but he stacks the deck. He lacks any credibility when it comes to promoting "existing [long-term] relationships", given how he himself avoids them like the plague.


Feryl...

"I think a lot of people on our side get tired pretty fast of monitoring and countering the non-stop animosity and elite propaganda targeted at populist-nationalists."

I think Generation Z and normies get tired pretty fast of the shaming and virtue signaling by the Alt Right because they make their own decisions about race and culture.

"If anyone is still listening, how 'bout we just ban the phrase "alt-right" if so many people here throw tantrums over it?"

Strawman on your part. The Alt Right, like any other philosophical movement, has had a number of intense debates as to who and who does not "belong". The "tantrums" come from within the group.

"And this Corvinus is starting to look like a troll. If he hates everyone's opinion here, why does he hang around here?"

Another strawman on your part. It's called finding more about different sides to an issue and commenting. I don't "hate everyone's opinion", I merely question the echo chamber.

"The interminable and often religion tinged posts (because if politics aren't enough to bicker about, why not introduce religion, too, even when most of us don't care to hear sermons). Cripes, it's a free country but I'm starting to avoid you on this blog."

We. Don't. Care.

Dan said...

Corvinus --

"Of course you may ask. I am married. 12 years running. Two young sons. Generation X."

Good.

You quoted Corinthians 7:2–“But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband.”

It is interesting to look at the whole verse:

Corinthians 7:2
"It is good for a man not to touch a woman."

and

Corinthians 7:2

7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.

8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I.

9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

So Paul is saying that it is best to be like him and not touch a woman at all, and if your urges are so strong that you can't help yourself then it is better to marry than burn.

Nothing about marriage being a goal in itself, and nothing about marriage being for having children. According to Paul, marriage is a receptacle where you can safely place your lust and avoid going to hell.

This isn't a very positive teaching and it misses the obvious about marriage being for having children. Paul, who essentially wrote the New Testament, admits here he has basically no experience in this department.

I don't think it is blasphemy to call all the incompleteness of Paul's teaching, but in any event it is not at all clear that such weak sauce can prevail in a world of global demographic competition. Jesus was unmarried. Muhammad had 11 wives. This is the central example of perfection in each faith.

Christians have to figure something out. Did God predestine Christianity to lose (which is what it is doing right now) or are there adjustments that need to be made? When thoughtful people realize that the current situation is untenable and try to find something workable, that doesn't make them monsters but rather important problem solvers. Turning the great cathedrals over to those who can never maintain them or worse are actively hostile to them cannot possibly be God's will to any believing Christian.

Dan said...

Typo, meant to write, Corinthians 7:1 in the first instance and Corinthians 7:7-9 in the second instance.

Audacious Epigone said...

Dan,

That seems obvious in retrospect--the respective examples of fecundity of Jesus and Muhammad. I've seen the pacifist/warlord contrast, but not thought much about that one. Thanks.

Corvinus said...

"So Paul is saying that it is best to be like him and not touch a woman at all, and if your urges are so strong that you can't help yourself then it is better to marry than burn."

Exactly why Roissy and Roosh will burn, right? Or are you going to silently defend moral degenerates?

"Nothing about marriage being a goal in itself, and nothing about marriage being for having children. According to Paul, marriage is a receptacle where you can safely place your lust and avoid going to hell."

In order for a man to quench his sexual thirst, marriage is the desired goal. It is definitively implied in the verse. Should a man or woman fail heed this warning, God will strike them down. Paul wrote, “But because of immoralities, each man is to have his own wife, and each woman is to have her own husband.” He is commanding that marriage is the only to sanctioned sexual relations by God, as confirmed by his use of the verb “to have,” which is a euphemism for sexual relations. In other words, the only way a Christian engages in normal sexual relations without incurring the wrath of God, as implied by the passage and by the norms of the time period, is by way of marriage.

“This isn't a very positive teaching and it misses the obvious about marriage being for having children. “

Of course it is positive teaching, as it commands men and women not to fornicate outside of marriage!

"Paul, who essentially wrote the New Testament, admits here he has basically no experience in this department."

Please explain how you arrived at this conclusion using Corinthians 7:2 and 7:7-9 as support.

“I don't think it is blasphemy to call all the incompleteness of Paul's teaching, but in any event it is not at all clear that such weak sauce can prevail in a world of global demographic competition.”

There is nothing incomplete about Paul’s insistence that Christian men and women have sexual relations only when married.

“Christians have to figure something out. Did God predestine Christianity to lose (which is what it is doing right now) or are there adjustments that need to be made?”

You are begging the question here.

“When thoughtful people realize that the current situation is untenable...”

A thoughtful person need not fit your exclusive definition.

"Turning the great cathedrals over to those who can never maintain them or worse are actively hostile to them cannot possibly be God's will to any believing Christian."

Only God knows if people are unable to maintain something or actively hostile to something, given your knack to drown out anything that is a threat to your echo chamber.

Dan said...

Corvinus, to Paul lifelong abstinence is more righteous than marriage. In Paul's own words it is better for a man never to touch a woman. The Shakers tried to follow this cannot do God's work because they no longer exist.

You cannot allow for the possibility that Paul isnt perfect; you seem more narrowly fundamentalist than anyone I know and am friends with Young Earth Creationists.

As for Roissey and Roosh, they may be heathen and degenerate, and yet they seem to care more about what happens to the world than you do. Funny, that.

Corvinus said...

"Corvinus, to Paul lifelong abstinence is more righteous than marriage. In Paul's own words it is better for a man never to touch a woman."

No. Paul clearly acknowledges sex is integral to marriage.. Verse 3--It is a right, happily owed by one another to one another. Verse 4--The husband’s body is under the authority of his wife, and the wife’s under her husband. Verse 5--Husband and wife should not deprive one another. There is an exception, but one that is heavily qualified. Husband and wife should abstain from sex ONLY when they agree to abstain for a limited time; intercourse will then resume.

Now, you said something that struck me. "Paul, who essentially wrote the New Testament, admits here he has basically no experience in this department."

Again, please explain how you arrived at this conclusion using Corinthians 7:2 and 7:7-9 as support.

"You cannot allow for the possibility that Paul isnt perfect; you seem more narrowly fundamentalist than anyone I know and am friends with Young Earth Creationists."

Man, you enjoy erecting strawmen. I never stated nor implied that Paul is imperfect. We ALL are other than perfect. Moreover, I am other than fundamentalist. I am merely pointing out your lack of understanding of the passage.

"As for Roissey and Roosh, they may be heathen and degenerate, and yet they seem to care more about what happens to the world than you do. Funny, that."

If they cared so much about the world, they would be married, have children, and work toward making their children as well-adjusted as possible in a challenging world. Roissy and Roosh have hit the proverbial wall and are desperately trying to rebrand themselves. Clearly, since I have a spouse and two young boys, I am observably more caring about the world in this particular area than, as you said, those heathens and degenerates, which you only admitted when pressed.

Dan said...

Regarding my comment,

"Paul, who essentially wrote the New Testament, admits here he has basically no experience in this department."

Paul Corinthians 7 says (NIV),

7 Now for the matters you wrote about: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” 2 But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband. 3 The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4 The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife. 5 Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. 6 I say this as a concession, not as a command. 7 I wish that all of you were as I am.

Paul clearly states that marriage is the lesser path and that the more righteous path is his own path, the path of total abstinence. It's conceivable that he had a wife who died, although there isn't any evidence of this.

I said:
"Corvinus, to Paul lifelong abstinence is more righteous than marriage. In Paul's own words it is better for a man never to touch a woman."

You responded, "No."

You are either illiterate or dishonest. In either case, I can't help you because that is what Corinthians 7 clearly says, in three different places, verse 1, verse 7 and verse 8.

He says he wishes all men were abstinent like him and considers marriage the lesser path, for the weak who cannot control their urges.

If you cannot understand this, find someone who is able to read, and have them explain the passage to you.

Congratulations on missing the entire point, which is that core Christian doctrine does not appear to be pro-natalist, and that seems to be a big problem in today's world.

You would rather bury your head in minutia (while getting the minutia wrong) than discuss the big issues. I'm done.

Corvinus said...

"Paul clearly states that marriage is the lesser path and that the more righteous path is his own path, the path of total abstinence. It's conceivable that he had a wife who died, although there isn't any evidence of this."

To Paul, marriage may be the lesser path. But he recognizes there are other paths. Paul prefers, but does not command, that men be single and celibate. Why? To serve God like him. However, he realizes that marriage is also another path, which is required if one seeks to have sex and procreate. Paul simply desires men might be free from distractions of marriage in order to devote themselves to serving God, but it was NOT a command on his part, nor was it stating how one thing is better than the other thing overall. That's the point.

"Congratulations on missing the entire point, which is that core Christian doctrine does not appear to be pro-natalist, and that seems to be a big problem in today's world."

Today's Christians procreate. They promote it. They desire it. And core Christian doctrine is certainly pro-natalist. The problem is that WHITE CHRISTIANS or WHITE PEOPLE in general are not having enough children to satisfy the quotas sought by the Alt Right. Because restore our civilization.

"You would rather bury your head in minutia (while getting the minutia wrong) than discuss the big issues. I'm done."

Condemning heathens and degenerates like Roissy and Roosh is not minutia.