Sunday, December 31, 2017

Gen Z knows the score

The following graph comes from Reuters-Ipsos polling data on the question of how whites and blacks are perceived to be treated in "the community" and "at work". The residual percentages are that both races are treated equally. "Don't know/not applicable" responses are excluded (N = 3,065):


Nearly four centuries on, blacks overwhelmingly feel as though America society treats them unfairly. As long as we have blacks, we will have black grievance culture. It will never end.

Hispanics, and to a lesser extent Asians, buy into the black victim narrative. Most whites, being the good individualists they are, think race doesn't play a role in how people are treated. In a mostly white country, we could at least maintain the pretense of a colorblind society. As the US becomes less white, that pleasant fiction will become a relic of the past.

Gen Z knows boomer egalitarianism is as dead as 1950s America. By far the demographic most aware of how the deck is increasingly stacked against white men are young white guys (aged 18-34 because that is what the site allowed--"older" in this context are men aged 35 and up) who voted for Trump.

It's not included because the graph is bloated as is, but young white women who voted for Trump go 16% for whites treated less fairly to 11% for blacks treated less fairly. That is, young white women who voted for Trump are more based than Trump's boomer supporters.

As zyklons (I shouldn't, I know) are markedly different than millennials, it's reasonable to assume that lots of white men currently in high school and of college age are even more red-pilled than this graph insinuates.

The generation with its back against the wall may just be the one that delivers us all.

24 comments:

DaDZ said...

The real headline here is that 2.2 percent of blacks think whites are treated less fairly. Never thought I'd see the day

Anonymous said...

Why is GenZ more race realistic when there is evidence that they are more socially isolated and more subjected to the good whites in the educational system?

Anonymous said...

What I don’t understand is that with all the affirmative action and with all that employers and HR departments have to go document and go through in order to fire a low performing black employee in order to avoid legal action, that this perception could possibly persist.

Audacious Epigone said...

DaDZ,

There is a portion of blacks--a very small one--that is starkly contrarian on racial issues. It's not inconceivable to me, for example, that Shelby Steele, Jason Riley, Thomas Sowell, and Walter Williams all would have given the "whites treated less fairly" response.

Anon,

They have been marinating in the CultMarx anti-white narrative for as long as they've been alive, with everyone responding to any questioning of it with "that is NOT okay". Young, hormonal men lash out against that kind of repression. Being red-pilled is the new counterculture. Also, they have access to a media diet we (I'm 34) could never have dreamed of growing up.

Here's a corpulent (((soyboy))) freaking out about it.

Anon,

Black women are virtually impossible to fire in corporate America if they don't blatantly violate a black-and-white (heh) company policy. They are simply too big of a litigation risk.

Days of the Broken Arrows said...

"Why is GenZ more race realistic when there is evidence that they are more socially isolated and more subjected to the good whites in the educational system?"

Remember how it was when we were kids and we had to hear self-appointed authority figures preach to us about ideas we knew were made-up crap -- like "satanic heavy metal?" We'd find things like Black Sabbath and Iron Maiden just to goad these humorless and clueless adults...and to prove them wrong.

Well, imagine being a Gen Z-er. Instead of being warned all the time about "evil rock'n'roll," these kids are forced to endure teachers and media figures droning on about "racism" and "sexism." As with the heavy-metal-satan routine, the paranoid fantasies of didactic adults doesn't square with that teens see around them every day.

In my generation, we saw people who were into all sort of crazy music getting into Yale and innovating in computer science (for example). These kids see girls outscoring boys and the scales being tipped towards minorities in everything from college admissions to textbooks. Kids aren't stupid. They know when adults are exaggerating...or outright lying to them.

So, they sit in the back of class, roll their eyes, and find sites on their smart phones like Audacious Epigone and Heartiste to prove their idiot Baby Boomer teachers wrong. Congrats, AE. You're the new Iron Maiden.

DissidentRight said...

It is interesting that bad goys have a relatively high value for black ‘discrimination’ compared to boomercucks. I am 99% sure this means “blacks treated less fairly” is being significantly interpreted as “blacks are the beneficiaries of unfair treatment”, rather than “blacks are harmed by unfair treatment”.

This made me interested in the “treated equally” proportions.

Living up to their name, 81.3% of boomercucks think blacks and whites are treated equally, significantly higher than any other group. I guess this is the “wife goggles” effect applied to the country. Meanwhile, only 51.8% of bad goys believe MLK’s dream is real life.

Interestingly, being married vs. single does not significantly effect the general perception of racial fairness for white men (68.9% vs 69.4%), but it does significantly affect the perception of who is being treated unfairly.

Also interestingly, married white women are more naive than white men in general and their husbands in particular (77.3% equal). Single white women are far less likely to believe society is fair (63%).

Random Dude on the Internet said...

> Why is GenZ more race realistic when there is evidence that they are more socially isolated and more subjected to the good whites in the educational system?

The survival instinct of whites is finally starting to awaken thanks to demographics. These kids are growing up in communities where, for the most part, are 30-60% white. It's getting to be like prison: whites stick with the whites, blacks with the blacks, etc. Donald Trump is the white president, as the media is fond of pointing out regularly. They stick with their guy who is probably the first president to be the most likely to look after their interests since Eisenhower.

You could also call them the Meme Generation since they're the first generation where they had options other than the mainstream media in their formative years. It's easy to see why the left really wants to control the content of the internet: they hoped that the internet would be a boon for progressives (and to be fair, it was...at first) but it wound up being one of the biggest right wing breeding grounds out there. The left used every media option available to get children to be good progressives but couldn't get to the internet in time. Now you have a couple dozen million children who identify more with Pepe than say Captain Planet or Harry Potter.

The good thing is that Generation Z whites are very politically motivated so we can start to see their influence on things within a couple election cycles: just in the nick of time before some other states (Florida, Georgia, North Carolina) could turn permanently blue.

Audacious Epigone said...

Days of Broken Arrows,

Couldn't have expounded on it any better, thanks.

Dissident Right,

Good point. The boomers insist that they're leaving us the colorblind society of their adolescent dreams. Things will really start to accelerate when senescence forces them off the stage.

Random Dude,


You could also call them the Meme Generation since they're the first generation where they had options other than the mainstream media in their formative years. It's easy to see why the left really wants to control the content of the internet: they hoped that the internet would be a boon for progressives (and to be fair, it was...at first) but it wound up being one of the biggest right wing breeding grounds out there.


It's hard to overstate how important this is. I'm in this world and it still surprises me. Youtube personalities are the new TV/radio personalities. The old guard has no opinion-making power on those under the age of 60 anymore.

simplytimothy said...

"The old guard has no opinion-making power on those under the age of 60 anymore."

Stealing that, with attrib.

milan said...

I'm guessing this whole generation zyklon thing is more of an american phenomenon than a west-wide one because I don't really see it happening here in NZ, although I haven't seen any actual polling data on it either. Most people my age seem fairly in line with normie progressivism or are simply apolitical, though I have had some interesting conversations. Maybe I just haven't talked to enough people about politics.

Jig Bohnson said...

In using the phrase Zyklon for Gen Z, are you indicating approval of or admiration for the Nazi genocide, or do you see it as just being provocative and tweaking sensibilities, or some combination of the two?

TWS said...

The two percent of blacks who believe whites have it worse probably contains some error. Having no error is impossible so I'm guessing a few guys said whites have it worse when they meant whites are worse.

Audacious Epigone said...

simplytimothy,

Please do, with or without attribution (though I appreciate the latter!).

Milan,

How much time to you spend talking to 15 yos about cultural and political issues? I've been pleasantly surprised by a lot of the admittedly anecdotal stuff I've seen from Gen Z, particularly white guys--a ~12 yo wearing a CNN is Fake News shirt, four of my wife's cousins talking about how politically oppressive their high schools are, the electricity among the huge crowd of Boy Scouts when Trump made his 'controversial' remarks at the last jamboree, etc.

Jig Johnson,

The latter mostly, with a bit of foreboding about how ignoring Gen Z's concerns could lead to something approaching the former. I tried to articulate as much here (scroll down past the broken video links, I can't find working links now).

TWS,

Good point.

milan said...

Well, unfortunately I only really got interesting in politics when I left high school, so not very often. I'll make sure to find out more about the attitudes of older zyklons when I go to uni this year :)

DissidentRight said...

In using the phrase Zyklon for Gen Z, are you indicating approval of or admiration for the Nazi genocide, or do you see it as just being provocative and tweaking sensibilities, or some combination of the two?

I share AE's view, with an emphasis on grim historical inevitabilities. Sadly, America has become the perfect powder keg. If our Gen-Z successfully avoids committing genocide, that will be nothing short of a miracle.

Also, as a friendly reminder, the Yankee abolitionists committed genocide on the Indians long before Hitler.

Audacious Epigone said...

Milan,

Drill down and report back!

Dissident Right,

And the American Indians kept black slaves after the US abolished slavery following the war between the states. Suck on that, Howard Zinn!

DissidentRight said...

Suck on that, Howard Zinn!

The Internet puts us so far inside the Narrative's OODA loop it's not even funny.

In the marketplace of ideas, the truth wins.

chris said...

I have always interpreted a lot of the alt-right/Zyklon memes and humour to be about desacralising the sacred values/moral taboos of the left as a way to disempower their cultural hegemony. Similar to leftists in the 80's and 90's making art like Piss Christ to desacralise the sacred values/moral taboos of American Christians and disempower their influence in the culture.

Haidt on Sacred Values
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MahQsK8Rl6s

What are the lefts Scared Values
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQSJ1VuTMbE

Piss Christ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piss_Christ

Wency said...

To those calling out blacks that say whites have it worse, that's about in line with what Scott Alexander calls the Lizardman Constant. A few percentage points of people will always agree with ANY proposition you put in a survey, whether out of confusion or a desire to screw with the pollster.

You should treat <5% agreement with a poll question as effectively 0% agreement. This is a good fact to internalize.

http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/04/12/noisy-poll-results-and-reptilian-muslim-climatologists-from-mars/

CJ said...

Why is GenZ more race realistic when there is evidence that they are more socially isolated and more subjected to the good whites in the educational system?

Probably because they have attended schools with a significant number of blacks in them. This tends to be a wake-up call no matter what else is going on. I'm a pension-age boomer who went to 99% white schools. Some of the first people who tried to clue me in about the reality of blacks were whites who had attended largely black schools. They didn't get through to me until I saw black dysfunction for myself.

Sid said...

CJ,

I'm a 29 year old Millennial who became HBD aware in high school. While my intellectual transformation happened when I was surfing the internet and came upon Cochran and Harpending's paper on Ashkenazi intelligence, my high school was quite diverse and the reality always stared at me in the face. I think you're right that being around diversity helps you see past the propaganda.

Nevertheless, I don't think anyone else in my peer group underwent such a change. I think there are three key factors that explain why the Z's have adopted these stances as a generation when previous generations of whites didn't:

1. They're on the knife's edge of having a demographic majority. Even though white Millennials are quite diverse, there was still enough room for us to afford to be stupid. Generation Z has had to face reality of what demographic change really means.

2. Previous generations of whites have had hopes that there would be a great change in blacks after a certain point. This eventually materialized into the Messianic fervor Obama ran on in 2008. Finally - if we have a black president, that will end the legacy of racism and lingering bitterness!

I remember how my peers were absolutely ecstatic when Obama was elected. The golden age had arrived! But it didn't. Race relations generally improved 2008 through 2011, but started sinking hard in 2012.

Gen Z came of age during that time. They didn't have the same Messianic expectation previous generations had.

Presently, white Millennials are having to either give up on that hope and change their views, or cling to them all the more tightly. The former helped establish the alt-right while the latter became SJWs.

3. Speaking of which, social justice rhetoric has become increasingly and openly hostile to white men. Our enemies used to come to us with smiles and talk of hope and friendship. Now they make no bones about wanting us erased from history!

Again, this has meant that whites on the whole are becoming more conscious of their collective interests as an ethnicity, but Z have grown up knowing little but how vile and openly hostile our enemies are.

This has meant that when white Millennials and generations preceding them have woken up, it was an individualistic process. This has been a collective process for Z.

Random Dude and AE mentioned YouTube stars. I honestly probably don't know much of any of the internet celebrities who are leading Z's opinions. It took a very long time to establish, but now with such networks of opinion, it's impossible for the Establishment to completely purge wrongthink.

Ban PewDiePie? Sorry it happened but I hadn't heard of him. I was on my own corner of the net spreading the word. Ban other based YouTubers? Didn't know there were so many! It's an exhausting game of whack the mole.

Audacious Epigone said...

Chris,

Undoubtedly a reason the cultMarx left hates the Alt Right so much is because of how successful the Alt Right has been on using their own tactics against them. They are now quotidian; we are the counter culture. It's on.

Wency,

Great point, definitely worth keeping in mind.

CJ,

Z-Man mentioned on his podcast last week that one of the best ways to red-pill people is to take them on a ghetto tour (he lives in Baltimore). I remember my uncle doing the same with me, the only time I've ever been through East St. Louis. My dad was furious when he found out. I'll never forget how there were blacks milling about in what looked like ruins, and how they'd all stop and stare--like deer--as we drove past. I must've looked like I'd seen a ghost.

Sid,

Riffing off #2 and bleeding into #3, those Gen Zers who have to double-down on the SJWism have to do so as they stare their own poor life prospects in the face. How long do you remain loyal to a worldview that has no use for you?

Wrt the youtube stars, I have at least the Socratic wisdom to know that I don't know anywhere close to the full extent. Personalities like Crowder, Shapiro, Milo, Molyneux--they're in the high hundreds of thousands and millions of subscribers, and of course nowhere near all their video views come from people who subscribe. Additionally people hear them through pod catchers. Their reach is enormous--no way there are millions of Gen Zers watching Fox News/CNN/MSNBC combined, not even close.

Random Dude on the Internet said...

> Riffing off #2 and bleeding into #3, those Gen Zers who have to double-down on the SJWism have to do so as they stare their own poor life prospects in the face. How long do you remain loyal to a worldview that has no use for you?

Generation Z has been marinating in poz from day one but when the grim prospects start hitting them, then it's pretty easy to see how all of it would go out the window. Most preachers of the anti-white religion tend to be affluent and will probably fly out to Israel when there's a SHTF moment. The rank and file white teenagers and young adults have to deal with the consequences and have no ((homeland)) to go to. At that point, all of the cultural marxism goes out the window. America is their home and fortunately they are understanding what is at stake here. Generation Z whites may be the only ones with the "right stuff" to turn the country back around.

Tully said...

Stop being a pussy, Jig. It’s pathetic.