Tuesday, November 07, 2017

Meet Virginia


R-Bugman
Gillespie is a longtime murk dweller who was part of Dubya's presidency and of Romney's failed 2012 candidacy. He's been in the lobbying 'business' for decades. As physiognomy confirms, he's the epitome of cuckservative boomer nationalism.

The only reason to pull for him was because, during the gubernatorial campaign, he feigned to care about the worst aspects of illegal immigration for the first time in his life. If this particular GOPe creature could ride immigration restrictionism to an upset victory in an increasingly blue state, other pols would likely follow suit.

It wasn't close to enough, but there are lessons to be learned in the exit poll results if the stupid party cares to learn them.


The pickup truck ad that served as a window into the leftist id was salient, but it didn't move the needle much. Among those for whom immigration was the most important issue, Gillespie crushed Northam. The problem lies in the fact that just 1-in-8 considered it the most important thing in the race. Everything, including health care, is downstream of immigration. Demographics is destiny.

Speaking of health care, it's hard to understate how poorly the Stupid Party has handled it. Premiums are skyrocketing everywhere. I've gone from paying $80 a month for myself and my family to $400 a month over a span of two years. The unAffordable Care Act is a bomb the Democrats constructed that is now exploding in the GOP's hands.

Despite nominally opposing the passage--and then campaigning for years on the repeal--of Obamacare, said Stupid Party has somehow managed to own the frustration and anger over this assault on middle America's monetary standard of living the bill has wrought. If the adults in the Democrat party are able to shut the SJWs up about all the -isms and -phobias for the next year and concentrate on health care costs instead, the 2018 mid-terms could be a route.

Northam's margin of victory was twice that of Hillary Clinton's, even though Northam did worse among non-whites than Clinton did. The WaPo helpfully includes exit poll results from 2016 alongside those from tonight's governor's race:


The numbers in the columns on the right show how much better (or worse) Clinton and Trump did relative to Northam and Gillespie. Northam's performance among non-whites was marginally weaker than Clinton's, but he stole 7 points from Gillespie among whites.

Who were these whites? See here:


They were the whites outside of northern Virginia who came out strong for Trump last November but who were unimpressed by globalist Gillespie's late-life, half-hearted appeals to national sovereignty. As a consequence, the mean white voter shifted away from the western heartland and towards the northern Virginia government feeding troughs.

Racially, Virginia is pretty representative of the country as a whole, albeit with an extra helping of black thrown in to keep it real. It has a large number of both goodwhites and badwhites engaged in a perpetual cold civil war with one another that mirroring the one that is being waged at the national level. Trump mobilized a lot of those Virginian badwhites and managed to make an increasingly blue state halfway competitive. Gillespie was unable to do the same and got clobbered.

To repeat, there are lessons to be learned from this.

I'm skeptical that'll happen. Instead, the Narrative will likely be that Gillespie lost because he doubled down on Trumpism by talking about MS-13 (never mind that he's distanced himself from Trump since Trump announced his candidacy in the summer of 2015 and that his former bosses are two of the highest profile #NeverTrumpers in the Republican party). Paul Ryan and John McCain will call for a message of optimism and inclusion in 2018, and another chapter in The Decline and Fall of the American Empire will be written.

51 comments:

Feryl said...

An ideologically sound (for our purposes), articulate, likable, clean-cut blah blah blah candidate could've run....Yet....Right now states with lots of:

- Yuppies/transplants
- Well educated people (which often coincides with the above demographic)
- Black folk (I'm leaving out other ethnicities as they have marginal electoral influence outside of the Southwest and Florida)

Stand to have marginal victories or losses for the GOP in statewide elections. As you admit, Trump lost Virginia. Right now SWPL yuppies and blacks are absolutely furious with Trump, and in a state as swampy (literally and figuratively) as Virginia you can bet they were itching to vote in a Dem as governor.

Rather than this being a bell-whether of things to come, it's just more proof of the demographic divides that have emerged over the last 15-20 years. States no longer have unified political cultures; you have urban areas and sizable stretches of metro area suburbs with strivers and non-whites ganging up to vote against prole whites. NorVirginia Vs the rest of the state, Minneapolis/St. Paul Vs Minnesota, Madison/Milwaukee Vs Wisconsin, Omaha Vs Nebraska, Chicago Vs Illinois, Miami Vs. Florida, Philly Vs PA, Most of NYC Vs Staten Island/Upstate NY, and so on.

As nauseating as it is to see the GOP incapable of breaking free of the medical lobby, the reality is that the Dems are so overboard right now on hating whitey and cops that it's going to take years to repair the damage. As annoying as high bills are, it's not as disquieting as voting for a party that hates your guts and regularly blood libels your ethnicity. The Dems opened up Pandora's box under Obama, and at what point do they get their shit together and strongly take a stand against POC racial psychosis and childish rage toward authority?

I understand that people like Agnostic seem more sanguine about populism taking off with Dem economics, but to me the Dems dug such a huge hole it's going to take at least 5 years to climb out. Oh, and the Dems continue to struggle mightily with fundraising and party debt, which suggests to me that liberal voters are voting against the GOP more than they are for the Dems. Brazille's book mentions the obvious enthusiasm gap that plagued even the HQ of Hillary's campaign. Most Dems intuitively can't stand Hilary and her flunkies, and most younger voters think Bernie got robbed and couldn't tell you the names of any other populist candidates.

What reason do we have to suppose that either party will bust free of the monstrous lobbies that call the shots on almost all big economic issues? I really do think that attacks on elites (which might begin to include liberal targets if the GOP doesn't wake up) might finally do the trick, but who knows what the breaking point will be?

Feryl said...

If the last sentence seemed a little confusing, what I meant was that conservatives could grow so frustrated that they take it out on elite liberals.....Just like how right now, frustrated liberals are generally not calling out their side's leaders but instead have bought The Big Lie that an evil army of Putin worshiping neo-Nazis stole the election from the Dems.

Sid said...

Honestly, it says a lot about how far Trump has come that the Democrats holding onto a governorship, in a state that voted solidly for Hillary, and against an opponent who was lukewarm at best about Trump, is being touted as some great Democratic victory.

Granted, it's disappointing that Virginia is now so pozzed because of the expansion of the DC metro area, but again, it's not some great bellwether for 2018. The Democrats held onto a governorship they already had - what's the great victory here?

Issac said...

Sid,

It isn't a great victory, but that, in and of itself, illustrates the point of your demographic problem. States just turn blue and that's that. No political strategy, no great surprises, just one by one, falling, as the existential crisis looms that much closer.

IHTG said...

You can't depend on having 2016-level "Deplorable" turnout in every election.

Don't get me wrong - Acela carpetbaggers will never like Trump. But there are things he could do to tamp down their freakout - without compromising on core principles - so that they don't turn out in as large numbers as they did yesterday.

Anonymous said...

Well, that's just plain STUPID...of VA Republicans/right.

Just as dumb as their "Cuccinelli's not conservative enough!" mentality bringing you morons Hillary's Terry "getting Felons to vote Democrat again" McAuliffe, now you've got Mister Illegals Über Alles as Governor.

But your "principles," including losing over and over it seems, are intact.
Be proud, morons.

Sure, sometimes you *should* reject RINOs; other times the alternative (there has to be a Governor) is worse.

Anonymous said...

This election shows why I am so pessimistic about the future. People are more concerned about health care than immigration? Then the whole-sale destruction of American institutions and its heritage? About the hatred of the Democrats towards whites? Aout BLM inspiring cop-killing and the desecration of national symbols? Yet despite this they are more concerned about health care, which is in the shape it is in today due to the Democrats? I do think that white America is slowly waking up, but not fast enough. What is going to happen is that they will become a minority within the next 20-30 years and in that case nothing else will matter. My concern as well is that it is educated, gentry whites that are beyond dense in all of this, not the proles, who seem to instinctually get it.

Anonymous said...

Can someone clue me in on the whole "bugman" thing?

Random Dude on the Internet said...

Honestly I didn't expect Gillespie to win because he ran as a cuckservative and then in the final hours halfheartedly embraced some Trump talking points (as did Northam to a lesser extent wrt sanctuary cities). Nobody believed Gillespie when he started embracing nationalist talking points for good reason. A cuck is a cuck is a cuck. The Virginia GOP base was smart to not fall for Gillespie.

You are right that the wrong lessons will be learned with this. With the 2018 midterms looming, there will be some stupid people who will embrace cuckservatism, lose, and blame Trump for it. What should be a solid year for the GOP (despite incumbents losing seats overall typically) could be shaken a bit by GOPe politicians who cuck under pressure. They're the stupid party for sure and want desperately to return to the 2000-2012 era GOP where they are steadfast neoconservatives who want open markets, open borders, and stroke themselves over how principled they are so that way think tanks continue to get showered by money despite the country turning into Brazil with a South African twist.

That said, if Gillespie ran as a Trump/Nationalist Republican, would he do better? I don't know if he would win. Virginia is a state that is pretty much lost due to government bureaucrats and third world imports. Over the past 15 years or so, we have lost some states due to demographic shifts. Colorado has been ruined by a 1-2 punch of California transplants and third world invaders. New Mexico is totally lost. Virginia is essentially lost. Up next is North Carolina and on deck is Georgia. Meanwhile Texas is getting flooded by third world invaders and bicoastal transplants who ruined their states and now want to ruin Texas as well. That's why we need strict immigration. Bugmen alone rarely ruin a state; they require a third world horde to make it happen for them.

Random Dude on the Internet said...

> Can someone clue me in on the whole "bugman" thing?

Urban Dictionary has a decent description: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bug%20man

A bugman is your typical big left leaning city dweller. He is usually obsessed with consumerism, lining up to purchase the newest iPhone or MacBook when it comes out, and using a smartwatch/smart home speaker for longer than the week after he bought it. Chances are he owns other throwaway smart gadgets as well. All his tastes in movies, music, expensive food, art, and more are determined by what review sites and blogs say.

Everything about his personality and life is not defined by who he is, but by what he buys and his consumerist tendencies. He'll be subscribed to at least one, maybe multiple subscription services, he'll happily use social media and upload all of his information to the cloud, and he'll gravitate towards things that seem "rational" and use big words.

In fact, their social media use defines a lot about who they are, as they try to get the most likes on social media bragging about their life and viewing the lives of others who do the same.

Yet there is something big missing about their life, something that can be seen in their face. Something that can be seen the minute you strip away all the consumerist choices and realize, there's nothing else. Their lives are empty, hollow, and all about serving corporations, until they die, and this is seen in their empty insectoid stare that implies they're dead inside, giving them the name bugmen.

Did you see that bugman standing in line waiting for the new iPhone X?

Jim Bowery said...

The very one-sided urban vs rural cold war in the US will go hot with the emergence of technologies that make starting families in rural areas more attractive to rural 18 year old girls than "gotta get outta this place" higher poz education. The new media is a big part of that and, to a lesser degree, so is home education (aka vertical transmission of symbiotic memes). I just wish the alt-right activists would stop getting themselves bogged down in legal trouble in the urban areas and invest their energies in getting adolescent boys positioned to responsibly form families, debt-free, by age 18 in the rural areas. That's how to _really_ leverage Gen Z.

Feryl said...

"there will be some stupid people who will embrace cuckservatism, lose, and blame Trump for it"

Fall for it might be generous. The reality is that 60-75% of elite level conservatives can, in the event of humiliating losses and popular discontent, still comfort themselves with being welcome in polite company and getting current or future pay-offs as consultants, lobbyists, shareholders, public speakers, etc. It ain't the Trump mentality of go for broke to win and crush the loser.

Honestly, an RNC funded venture from this year to dissect the Trump voter lamented their ethnic and cultural awareness, and concluded (with a whimper, not a bang) that sooner or later the party would get cracking on.....Wait for it....An increasingly diverse America. Wait a sec, ya morons....If you though that cuck inc. wasn't appealing to many whites, how the hell are you going to sell it to Tyrone, Jose, and Muhammed? So lets see....We can appeal to whites culturally/ethnically and defend them, or we can merrily skip past that part of the equation and move on to selling Edmund Burke to vibrants. What could go wrong?

We've got to rein in striving, and liberal guilt. And Trump proved that if you don't back down, eventually the PC crowd can be rhetorically and emotionally worn down. Don't give in and let them win. Steve King in Iowa, back in 2016, got away with saying that 3rd worlders don't create 1st world societies....Anywhere.

The Z Blog said...

Health care is going to slaughter the GOP next fall. I half suspect they know it and are embracing it just to spite the rest of us. It is their role, after all, to be the spear catchers for the Left.

Like everyone, I just got my price hike. My premium went up 46%. I can afford it for now, but there is no way that this can go on much longer. Right now, people are facing insurance bills bigger than their rent or mortgage.

dc.sunsets said...

The Dem-Rep thing feels a lot like when I was in sales.

I had a great product with zillions of sellable attributes. The competition had weaker products with typically ONE attribute that they extolled over mine, but in fact that attribute was phony.

I'd walk into a customer's office and he'd say, well, The Other Guy said his stuff does X and yours doesn't. [Now, the water's muddy.]

I can explain why the attribute is phony, but the discussion is highly technical; my customer is too busy to sit still for it (and it takes him/her into a level of technicality they don't really want, they just want a one-sentence inversion of the competitor's BS, which doesn't exist.)

Santa Claus FEELS great.
Explaining why the GOODFEELS are actually unhealthy yields BADFEELZ, with which the messenger is inevitably tarred.

Society spins out of control in a feedback loop of ever-higher enthusiasm for ever-worse policies, which will be delivered in ever-increasing volume, operating exactly like a a stock on Wall Street where as its price rises, demand rises too.

This all matters until someday when it doesn't. I'm quite certain that what we're witnessing is nothing less that the manic blow-off rally into the apogee of large-scale politics. Right now nothing is more important than what goes on in Washington DC. When that bull-run is over, however, nothing will be less important. When the bond market collapses someday (soon??? who knows?) the relevance of Mordor-on-the-Potomac will fade. Then, too, will fade the relevance of even state-wide government. It seems to me that the relative disorder promised by the smashing of a mountain of Pollyanna-expectations from everyone will drive all importance to extremely local levels.

Anonymous said...

TO ZMan/ZBlog

Perhaps...but it begs the question:
IF it is true about healthcare, then WHY
would people vote for the Democrats...
...who were the ones pushing, promoting
and defending ObamaCare in the first place?!?

The Z Blog said...

When whites are angry, they vote against those they see as in charge. Right now, the GOP is seen as in charge. In Virginia, the Democrat was a Bush Republican until Obama came along. He's a soulless bugman, but largely an unknown one. Gillespie has been running for office for years and he is a well known GOP hack.

The fact is most white voters have yet to come to terms with what is happening. They still operate like it is 1965 and the country is 90% white.

DissidentRight said...

The fact is most white voters have yet to come to terms with what is happening. They still operate like it is 1965 and the country is 90% white.

This. In the grand scheme of things, Trump’s election is the equivalent of whites deciding they maybe need to give some thought to the matter. The Swamp types have given it thought and decided, “Nah, the trajectory is fine as-is.”

As things continue to get worse (which minor Democratic victories guarantee, by bolstering globalist-SJW-xeno morale) whites will firm up.

The problem with the onrush of various economic failure modes is that a major segment of the United States population is not capable of self-sufficiency or self-government, and this segment happens to be the one most closely tied to the government (whether in control of it or sucking at the teat).

Anonymous said...

TO ZMan

I generally agree with "they vote against those they see as in charge"
HOWEVER, I still go back to the part about
voters remembering *WHO* is responsible for ObamaCare in the first place
AND, not wanting to put those responsible back in power.

Is your point that voters have - in effect - NO memory, and therefore merely seek out the nearest scapegoat/incumbent?

That seems reasonable on *most* issues, but NOT on one so central to people's lives.
NOT a question to insult you...but: do you know of any historical American precedent where people effectively "cut their own throats"...in the manner they would by allowing the Dems to "enshrine/place in stone" ObamaCare?!

p.s. I MISS HAUSSNER'S!!!

dc.sunsets said...

I feel the anxiety, too, but since I believe the complacency of "heritage America" is synonymous with trust in the sugarplums of 401(k)'s, pensions and such dancing in people's heads (AKA the future cash flows they seem to think they'll get as promised, despite the mathematical impossibility of it) I tell myself to be patient.

Sooner or later the herd-level social belief in all this will collapse. When it does, only then will we finally get an idea of how people in the USA (or Europe for that matter) will actually act.

Until then, poz city.
After that, a whole new ballgame...with new rules.

DissidentRight said...

@anon Is your point that voters have - in effect - NO memory, and therefore merely seek out the nearest scapegoat/incumbent?

Most People Are Idiots.

@dc Sooner or later the herd-level social belief in all this will collapse. When it does, only then will we finally get an idea of how people in the USA (or Europe for that matter) will actually act.

When I get filthy rich, my plan is to seed a prairie state with officials who will prepare a continuity plan and have it ready to go before DC implodes, to be copy/pasted throughout real America upon request.

Ninco Nanco said...

Democrats pass ObamaCare which everyone hates and get rewarded for it? You missed it. That is the Cathedral at work.

Anonymous said...

*Thanks*, Dissy Right, but I'll wait for an answer from the person to whom I directed the question.

But your snarky quip was most amusing, if in no way informative.

DissidentRight said...

@anon - MPAI isn't snark. It's observable fact.

Arthur said...

"If the adults in the Democrat party are able to shut the SJWs up about all the -isms and -phobias for the next year and concentrate on health care costs instead, the 2018 mid-terms could be a route."

If the Dems simply sit back and let the backstabbing a-holes in the Republican Congress piss and moan about Trump and 'Tone' the Dems will win in landslides.

Anonymous said...

TO dissy

Yeah, RIIIIIIIGHT!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
you MORON.

reluctantreactionary said...

The Alt Right tends to forget that getting immigration under control was only part of Trump's appeal to whites. The whole maga meme was all about bringing jobs and prosperity back. How this would be done was rather vague. Most people still vote for what they perceive to be their own near term interest. In a sufficiently demotic system an appeal to free stuff is going to win out over an appeal to freedom. For Trumpism to succeed he may need to embrace some Bernie Sanders ideas. Single payer health care? Allowing student loan bankruptcy? I don't like it since none of this is sustainable, but winning elections is about a chicken in every pot.

Feryl said...

"The problem with the onrush of various economic failure modes is that a major segment of the United States population is not capable of self-sufficiency or self-government, and this segment happens to be the one most closely tied to the government (whether in control of it or sucking at the teat). "

This reminds of what I read about the decline and end of Soviet Russia. Russia of that era, whatever it's faults, at least produced a citizenry with a great deal of practical skills. I've read/heard a Russian writer who was a kid/teenager at that time (the late 80's/90's), and the typical Russian family and town was able to handle a lot challenges in the absence of political/economic good fortune. Meanwhile, in the US beginning with the Boomers, each generation has been encouraged to strive to avoid labor as much as possible; you haven't made it 'til you have live-in servants.

Cheap immigrant labor and off-shoring discourage many native-born Americans from seeking work in a lot of important but unglamorous fields. Lawyers, Realtors, Doctors, hedge fund specialists, etc. have benefited at the expense of everyone else. These problems exist to some extent with all English speaking countries, which have bit harder on neo-liberal horse shit than anyone else. But the US is the worst.

Sid said...

Issac,

I agree it's sad that Virginia went blue because of demographics. That said, it's not particularly suprising at this point. They've been pozzed for the last decade or so, and it's not going to be easy for Republicans to win there.

Now, as for the GOP:

When Obama was in charge but before Trump started his campaign, the Republicans largely railed against Obama on the grounds of his exploding the federal debt and Obamacare.

In this year, we've seen the Republicans reveal their opposition to Obamacare was more theatrical than serious. After seven years, they offered us... Obamacare Lite! I am honestly no expert on healthcare policy, but seven years is enough time to formulate a good plan.

I'm only mildly supportive of the proposed tax cuts. They help in some ways and hurt in others. The problem is that our GDP growth is fine, but the federal debt is worse than ever. I'm concerned more tax cuts would cause the economy to overheat and inflation to rise.

Maybe my concerns about tax cuts are misplaced, but what irritates me is when the Republicans are wishy washy about what we want, but line up immediately to condemn "Nazis" and ignore antifa violence against Republicans. They are too phlegmatic to get upset about when it happens to them - how often do you hear Republicans condemn the leftist violence of the Scalise shootings? And don't get me started on Republicans who support DACA!

Audacious Epigone said...

Feryl,

what I meant was that conservatives could grow so frustrated that they take it out on elite liberals

Should that be "liberals/leftists/SWPLs could grow so frustrated..."?

Re: happily losing, as long as their own positions are safe, that point can't be understated. It has been obvious by how flatfooted the GOP congress has been this session. It feels like there is no plan--not even coordinated messaging--because they didn't think (or probably even want) to win in 2016. Being a principled loser is what makes a cuck a cuck.

Sid,

It's a siege that was effectively weathered, not a battle that gained them any ground. You're right--what they did is avoided disaster, little else.

Issac,

Indeed. There are white states in the upper Midwest and, I suspect in time, in the very northeast like New Hampshire and Maine, that have room to move towards becoming more reliably red, but the default for the vast majority of states is that as they become steadily less white, they become steadily less red and steadily more blue. The Trumpian strategy may be able to work for another election cycle or two, but without real action on the National Question, it's ultimately doomed to failure.

IHTG,

What things are you thinking?

Random Dude,

cuck under pressure

Great turn of phrase.

Re: bugmen, thanks for the etymology. I was unaware and had simply thought of it as synonymous with "hollow man", which is the term I usually use.

Z Man,

I'll raise you one by suggesting Gillespie and co didn't expect to win either and were happy to try and tarnish the Trump strategy by a little handwaving that they could then claim showed that it was doomed to failure in 2018. The media built this up as a horserace to be able to subsequently insinuate momentum for the left.

Your Power Hour segment from a couple weeks back is what prodded me to pay a little attention to Virginia. I was incredulous that R-Bugman had a chance. Next door to me is Missouri, a state that is on a Virginia-like political trajectory but in the opposite direction. In the early 2000s, it was considered a bellwether tossup state. No longer.

dc.sunsets,

The open question is whether we come in for a relatively smooth landing (voluntary political dissolution) or crash and burn (just about anything else).

Thoughts on the staggering increase in Bitcoin over the last few months? Just more easy money chasing returns or early signals of something more seismic?

Anon,

It really is something to see how Republicans have managed to own a large share of the bad will Obamacare has generated in the electorate. As has been said many times, they are not called the Stupid Party for nothing.

Ninco Nanco,

Touche. Hard to argue with the results.

Dissident Right,

MPAI isn't snark. It's observable fact.

Could've been written by Vox Day himself. Well done.

Arthur,

If the GOPe actually wanted to win, they'd follow Sailer's advice and do things to provoke an image of the Democrats as a party of non-whites in general and of blacks in particular. The various members of the Coalition of the Fringes do the lion's share of the work for them, but to the extent that the GOPe contributes, it's to try and cover for the Democrats (i.e. McCain pledging not to talk about Jeremiah Wright during the 2008 campaign).

Reluctant Reactionary,

Well put. The whites out west didn't show up at anything near like they did for the presidential election because what is putting another bugman in charge of the state supposed to do for any of them? Very little. Not allowing gangbangers to congregate in Richmond our around DC is fine (opposing sanctuary cities), but it's not in front of them. Kicking working illegals via workplace raids in smaller towns would've been much more appealing.

Audacious Epigone said...

Sid,

I'm only mildly supportive of the proposed tax cuts.

That's more than I can muster. "Yawn" is about all you'll get from me on them.

Anonymous said...

"The pickup truck ad that served as a window into the leftist id was salient, but it didn't move the needle much.

...

If the adults in the Democrat party are able to shut the SJWs up about all the -isms and -phobias for the next year and concentrate on health care costs instead, the 2018 mid-terms could be a route."


I never saw the pickup truck ad until I heard about it on Steve Sailer's blog. I don't know where it played or if regular voters even saw or heard of it. I don't think it was put out by Northam's campaign or the local Democratic party. I think it was put out by some Latino organization.

The adults in the Dem party ran Northam's campaign. His campaign was basically about how he was a graduate of VMI, the Virginia Military Institute, and served as an Army doctor, and how he was going to focus on healthcare. In other words, they portrayed him as a normal, patriotic guy who was a doctor and thus knew about healthcare, and would focus on healthcare.

Audacious Epigone said...

Anon,

Likewise regarding the Latino organization's ad. Saw it circulating in other places on the right--not just dissident right, but Respectable Right, too. It's a great illustration of the effectiveness of the Sailer strategy. That sort of ridiculous messaging is what drives normal white people rightward towards a sense of racial consciousness.

If the obvious template the Democrats ran in Virginia is run in 2018, it could be brutal. On the other hand, it's hard to clamp down on the BLMers, SJWs, etc. They have ways of making everyone hear them.

Feryl said...

@anon Is your point that voters have - in effect - NO memory, and therefore merely seek out the nearest scapegoat/incumbent?

Most People Are Idiots.

The GOP won a great deal of special elections in late 2016/early 2017. Now that the Dems finally have some good news, we're to believe that they are on the march to taking everything back? Not so fast. The West Coast and most of the Northeast (aside fron Maine, NH, and Western PA) tends towards cultural liberalism, has lots of immigrants and/or "ethnic" whites, and a lot of strivers. A cuck like Gillespie didn't give either Alt-righters or prole Dems/moderates much reason to vote for the GOP, true, but at this stage of the game, like Random said above, statewide elections are just going to reinforce what we already knew:the coastal US has nests of SJWs, transplants, and nonwhites who feel encircled by a sea of red that begins just beyond the boundaries of America's major metro areas. They sure as hell don't want any ostensible conservatives representing their state as a whole.

As for the Dems rekindling populism, taking things back, and posturing as saviors to come, don't make me laugh. Psychotic racial politics now dominate Leftist circles, as ID activists are always quick to criticize any one (esp. whites) on the Left who doesn't constantly venerate blacks and immigrants. Besides, as the quote indicates, the backlash to the GOP, such as it is, will have fleeting benefits to the Dems, who with each election cycle are becoming more beholden to Gen X and Millennial non-whites who will royally fuck up the competence and popular appeal of the Dems. As long as clowns like Maxine Waters have seat at the table, neither party will gain widespread credibility. Remember that Trump exists and thrives in spite of the GOP.

Feryl said...

"Indeed. There are white states in the upper Midwest and, I suspect in time, in the very northeast like New Hampshire and Maine, that have room to move towards becoming more reliably red, but the default for the vast majority of states is that as they become steadily less white, they become steadily less red and steadily more blue. The Trumpian strategy may be able to work for another election cycle or two, but without real action on the National Question, it's ultimately doomed to failure."

The non-coastal Northeast and non-Plains Midwest is, for the most part, The Rust Belt. The many less educated whites of this region voted Dem for decades on the basis of labor politics taking precedence over cultural/ethnic issues. Now that Midwestern urbanites are so glib and effete, and more and more Joses and Muhammeds are spreading like a pestilence well beyond the coasts and Sunbelt, the whiter and more rural areas of these regions (esp. the Upper Midwest) are markedly more red than they were in the 90's or before.

The mediocre to poor skiing, and the frigid winters, are going to make the far inner and far upper Northeast , as well as the Upper Midwest, quite yuppie transplant proof, in comparison to say, Charlotte, Atlanta, Denver, etc. Something that continues to make me scratch my head is all of the dark skinned 3rd worlders being dumped onto the frigid North. We've gotta leap past liberal guilt and drastically slash welfare/section 8 (as the South did generations ago) to help "encourage" these aliens to leave. Christ, if a lot of whites don't want anything to do with Maine or the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, why the hell are Africans up here?

Feryl said...

The cuck Gillespie campaign left all kinds of stuff on the table, and this is after Trump showed the way. We're eventually going to get more kamikaze candiates, ya know, guys who know that a big itch is due to be scratched and will defiantly go about scratching that itch to gain a following.

As whites become outnumbered in many areas, they're going to need paladins and advocates. It seems unthinkable now, but why do you suppose blacks vote 94% Dem? Blacks have never been secure in anything, demographics included, and no amount of affirmative action or black celebrities makes a damn bit of difference. If it did, at least 30% of blacks would become GOP'ers.

Feryl said...


The adults in the Dem party ran Northam's campaign. His campaign was basically about how he was a graduate of VMI, the Virginia Military Institute, and served as an Army doctor, and how he was going to focus on healthcare. In other words, they portrayed him as a normal, patriotic guy who was a doctor and thus knew about healthcare, and would focus on healthcare.

So pro-Northam forces concocted the infamous pick-up ad, that must've been shown somewhere along the line. But this Marxist crap is at odds with the putative character of Northam, who to begin with, is a white guy with a wholesome background and a reassuring Anglo/Scots name. Compare that to pajama boy Jon Osoff, a Jew transplant who got waxed by a ho-hum Republican.

But the time for the Dems running any white male candidates, much less a British descended military veteran, is running short in many regions. Indeed, it's exceedingly unlikely that the Dems will run a white male in near future presidential elections, after Hilary failed to garner much support among POC Millennials who the Dem's erroneously think decide elections (got news for you: older people vote in higher numbers). It's a two way street, though. Prole whites will gravitate to the GOP the more that the Dems put forth "ethnic" candidates (it's for these kinds of reasons that conservatives gleefully encouraged the Dems to hand over the reins to Keith Ellison, a Gen X Muslim convert with a radical background)

And it does sound like in the VA race the various liberal factions cut the crap and figured out that they needed to run a normal American white guy. But that's out of character with the ethnic , generational, and ideological infighting that the Dems have been plagued with since Obama started yapping his lips off around 2012.

Feryl said...

BTW, in the event of Trump getting another Supreme Court appointee who's a white guy, that would mean that we'd get a court that's quite ideologically out of step with SWPLs and POC, and moreover the conservative agenda would be served by several white men who......wait for it......were appointed by two evil and compared to Hitler Presidents, Bush and Trump (Since 2000 the Left considers all Republicans of this era who aren't uh, John McCain, to be distilled evil).

In that even, John Roberts/Gorsuch et al might want to consider wearing body armor out in public soon after high profile rulings, or if they're the brunt of sustatined SJW/media verbal abuse. Due to the age and usually (before Obama's AA appointments) high character of SC appointees, SC rulings tend to be fairly conservative and in keeping with the established beliefs of the justices.

For the time being, lower district judges are being used to thwart un-PC legislation, and this seems to be working as a way to keep SJW rage in check. But how long before the old and conservative men on the Supreme Court are targeted for sanctioning?

Feryl said...

"maybe my concerns about tax cuts are misplaced, but what irritates me is when the Republicans are wishy washy about what we want, but line up immediately to condemn "Nazis" and ignore antifa violence against Republicans. They are too phlegmatic to get upset about when it happens to them - how often do you hear Republicans condemn the leftist violence of the Scalise shootings? And don't get me started on Republicans who support DACA!"

The media, SWPLs, and Leftist zealots are knowingly using muscle to keep unwanted conservative ideas and people in check. The absolutely know what they're doing, and we've only gotten brief and token apologies from Leftists. The fact that relatively benign figures like Scalise and Rand Paul have been, so to speak, "sanctioned" with no heartache or contrition from the Left means one thing: it's a war, and the Left has dug in good and hard after Trump crushed in the primaries. The cuck wannabe right is up on the ramparts with the Left, being that the cucks seek greater approval from elites than proles.

Populist Republicans are browbeaten into disavowing people and events they had little to nothing to do with, while the Left clearly encourages the venting of rage and makes excuses for their maniacs....And elites and cucks go out of their way to make peace with the double standard. Meanwhile, there's no accountability effort taken up by most elites WRT letting in immigrant criminals and terrorists. How does this happen? Why are they here? These are things most prole whites are dying to know. But the vast majority of elites aren't looking for answers. We can't viably claim to be strong country anymore. We can't tell are ass from a hole in the ground these days, and far too many people look the other way.

Audacious Epigone said...

Feryl,

Yes, everything about Northam seemed like it was occurring in a time warp. To win, Dems probably need to set their own clocks back a decade or two. Conversely, to win, the GOP needs to stop setting its own clock back a decade or two!

Sid said...

AE,

Republicans who mostly care about cutting taxes should get that if they support our side when it comes to immigration. Personally, I have my reservations on both tax cuts and gun rights, but I will support other rightists on those issues if they support me on mine.

Cultural conservatives are more inclined to join with us than fiscal conservatives are, so I'm more adamant about defending the Second Amendment than I am about tax cuts.

Feryl,

Leftists have become more and more tolerant, even permissive, of the use of violence, as long as it's against white targets.

Most leftists I knew personally were against the Iraq War. Now they're damn thirsty for Russian blood. In fact, it's the Democrats who have spearheaded the anti-Assad agitprop.

The media released a fake news claim that Rand Paul was a bad neighbor to hide the fact his assailant was a rabid leftist.

When you go into the nitty gritty of the "dindu nuffin" stories, such as Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown assaulting their victims, leftists equivocate for a bit before admitting that those poor black bodies felt scared or intimidated. They're not quite there, but they're just a degree or two away from openly endorsing blacks murdering cops.

And of course, antifa's actions are tacitly condoned most of the time, with their justifications of "punching Nazis" being defended openly by many Dems.

Feryl said...

After the 2000 election brouhaha, the Left has increasingly lost their ideological and emotional marbles.

The very same liberal cocksuckers who mock Trump's re-industrialization and anti-globalist ideas once had similar ideas in the 90's and before. Yup, the Left used to hate big corporations and and pro-corporate trade deals. But this has been lost in a "diversity" fever dream. Leftists now agitate to "diversify" corporate hiring practices, and also expect institutions to pay lip service to an ostensibly "progressive" agenda where real results and reforms are irrelevant as long as these institutions claim to care about global warming, feminists, fags, blacks, and immigrants.

If you recall, the Left lost it's mind over Al Gore's lost, which was blamed variously on Ralph Nader, the media, The Florida GOP, and the Supreme Court. Lost amid the clamor is that Al Gore is totally of the bland DLC cloth, with admittedly a strong streak of eco-hysteria (which nonetheless never crossed the line into supporting anti-corporate sappers who were a viable Leftists niche in the 80's and 90's). Later still the Left refused to accept the electoral legitimacy of Bush, not just his ideology or character. Calling him pResident was a common joke in the 2000's. But Bush didn't hit either the Left drums that Obama did, or the Right drums that Trump did. The combo. of Obama's Marxism and Trump's reaction has annihilated what little remained of the Left's faculties.

DissidentRight said...

I recall my old mindset of, “I sure hope the economy implodes under a Democrat!”

Now I’m like, whatever. The consequence is political disintegration (and war) no matter who’s in charge. It’s nice to imagine Trumpian supermen magically navigating the crises, but that’s bordering on the realm of fantasy. How do you “navigate” a massive drop in living standards and latent demographic conflict? Though it would sure be nice to ensure the loyalty of boomer submarine crews.

Audacious Epigone said...

Feryl,

It is now about putting 1% tokens into positions of salient authority, as though the lesbian daughter of a hedge fund manager or a conquistador American getting a COO spot is supposed to somehow benefit the working class of any color.

DissidentRight,

I share that sense of inevitability.

My outside hope was that Trump could be a transitional figure moving the US towards the three things that are prerequisites for the country to hold together and remain part of the first world:

1) Repatriation of all non-citizens
2) Moratorium on immigration for at least a generation
3) Native fertility at least up to replacement

I'm realistic.

Feryl said...

- "According to a CNN poll released on November 7, the Democratic Party is just as hated as Donald Trump, with a favorability rating of just 37 percent. Fifty-four percent of people view the party unfavorably, the worst showing for the Democrats since polling on party favorability began in 1992."

You can kinda see why they're trying to demographically run out the clock; they want the US to be California writ large, in which the Dems remain dominant no matter how predictably boring and foolish they've been for decades. And BTW, Californians of all ages, all backgrounds etc. have been incredibly cynical and pessimistic about politics since at least the 80's, and probably earlier. And the discontent has grown over time. We shouldn't think that the Dem's reign there is indicative of genuine popular appeal in the state.

- "When viewed historically, the Democratic collapse is, in fact, extraordinary. Outside of the 1919-23 postwar Republican revival and the 1894 Democratic midterm disaster, the Democratic drop-off from 2008 to the present is unprecedented in the post-Civil War period."

"After the 2008 elections, the Democratic Party won 60 of 100 US Senate seats and a 79-seat majority in the House of Representatives (257 to 178). On the state level, it held 29 of 50 governor's seats while also controlling both chambers of state legislatures in 27 states compared to 14 for Republicans, with 8 split. The party had a favorability rating of 62 percent compared to 31 percent unfavorable."

"Nine years later, the Democrats have been swept from large majorities in both houses in Congress while, on the state level, Democratic losses are even more revealing. The party controls only 15 governor's seats and is a majority of both houses of state legislatures in just 14 states, all of which (with the exceptions of New Mexico and Illinois) are on the Pacific or Northeast coasts. Between California and New York there is not a single state with a Democratic governor and Democratic majorities in both state legislatures, and only 7 in total. This is the lowest level of state Democratic legislative control since at least the 1920s."

The ratings are reflective of how across the country, there's discontent with the Dems, it's just that in some places there's enough cultural liberals, yuppies, transplants, and POC willing to dutifully pull the lever for the Dems to keep them in office somewhere....But that doesn't mean voters are fired up about it. And the lack of enthusiasm within the base translates to hostility towards Dems beyond the core Dem base. How else do you explain the ugly performance of the Dems over the last 10 years? If the GOP hit a home run on health care, the Dems would really be in for it.

BTW, Texas proves how important affordable family formation is, and also why it's imperative that immigration be halted. High living costs are a feature, not a bug, of highly liberal areas; Leftists adore natural features that keep prices high and proles out (oceans, mountains, lakes). Tons of immigrants and strivers piling into an area will jack prices up, with the effect more intense in areas that are environmentally ill-suited to development and yuppie friendly.We may be stuck with Frisco and Manhatten forever, but we needn't recreate those living costs and attitudes elsewhere.

Feryl said...


"It is now about putting 1% tokens into positions of salient authority, as though the lesbian daughter of a hedge fund manager or a conquistador American getting a COO spot is supposed to somehow benefit the working class of any color."

Eventually the striving will fade away. Whether by choice or circumstances remains uncertain. A lot of people on the modern Left obviously want to be big winners, to be thought of as the cool kids. But eventually it will dawn on a lot of these people that, hey, I didn't win so big after all.....Maybe the rat race isn't what it's cracked up to be.

The moment that people become more concerned about lifting people up and less concerned about leaping above others is the moment that we can finally gain some solidarity and start enacting much needed reforms with a minimum of fuss. This is assuming, of course, that at least the upper 2/3 of America are still 70%+ white. The longer we wait to address immigration, healthcare, affirmative action, and family formation, the slighter the chance that we can make it out of this and reach another era of prosperity and optimism.

Audacious Epigone said...

Feryl,

Nietzsche's image of the man walking on the tightrope over the abyss and towards heaven strikes me as more and more apt all the time.

Sid said...

It wouldn't surprise me if the polling agencies inflated Gillespie's numbers so that the MSM would have a nice little narrative about the masses coming out to reject Trumpism. Let's not let their little psyop demoralize us. Look at what happened to Virginia and California, and feel the blaze to keep that from befalling the rest of the country.

Feryl said...

"Look at what happened to Virginia and California"

California was vulnerable long before demographics sealed the state's fate. The cold war and decent family formation ability helped stave off the threat posed by cultural liberals and non-whites. In the later 1990's, conservatism in the state seemingly died over-night, as did much of the state's white middle class. Thing is, the state's geography and elite liberals conspire to (deliberately) make development very difficult, which restricts the housing supply. Meanwhile, transplants and immigrants are constantly swamping the state. POC and rootless dirtbags create sometimes cheap but often horrible ares, while the better areas are out of reach for many people. The state's industries and culture attract countless Left wing douchebags. Before the 90's, a fair amount of unpretentious white people found work in the state and formed a decent Middle Class. Since then, most of 'em have left (California has the greatest rate of native born out-migration). People in the state were never that conservative, but once upon a time a decent number of people there voted GOP for libertarian and cold-war reasons, if not really for moral reasons (kinda like how conservative Midwesterners used to look the other way morally speaking when they voted for the Dems).

WRT Virginia, it's going to take a lot of striving clowns and immigrants to totally drive out the prole whites. What's more, many of these whites are genuinely conservative and have been in the area for many generations, neither of which most white Californians could ever say. Also, Virginia doesn't have as many far Left luddite goofballs as the West Coast.

Honestly, most of the non-urban South, non-urban Midwest, and even some of the inland Northeast are positively frightening for SJWs. We're not flaky wannabe post apocalyptic warriors like so many Western "conservatives" are, and we feel like we've built something over the generations that's worth protecting. Even if we dwindle to 40-50% of America's pop., we'll never be totally over-run. There simply is no precedent for dark-skinned people successfully ruling a large region above the 40th parallel of latitude for any length of time. A decadent elite that's mostly white may rule over a darkening Northern region for some time, but eventually they will be held to account and white's will take back what's theirs. Spain eventually evicted the Moors, and England once expelled the Jews. What's more, Russia is always going to be Russia. Temperate Western Europe (if the jet stream stays active.....) is a better bet for POC, but Russia and most of the Northern US ought to be heavily white for a long time to come. And redrawing Welfare policies, stringent policing of criminals and immigrants, etc. would send non-whites packing. Even in the modern climate, how many cities in Michigan are over 70% black? Blacks can't hack it in the Upper Midwest or New England, or most of the inner West. It's too damn cold.

Feryl said...

Lastly, how many strivers are there, exactly? There just aren't enough to fully pollute every large-mid sized city or metro area in the country. Hell, Trump did pretty well in Pittsburgh. And as I alluded to above, most big strivers want to be in a coastal location, with the remainder getting Atlanta, Mpls, Chicago, Austin, and Denver. If there really was that many dickhead elitist whites, Trump would've lost the election to begin with.

Feryl said...

We really have no precedent to go off of, should demographics reach 50-60% POC. The closest parallel is some parts of Latin America, but those countries were never as diverse as America is even right now, let alone in the future. Also, that Latin culture of racial mixing is essentially exceptional; I don't foresee Euro countries or American whites ever embracing the idea of trying to smush every race together.

In the absence of effective reforms, we might very well get the dissolution of the US, with the earliest break up being much of the Southwest going to Mestizos and conquistadors, and more than a few skeezy gringos sticking around to be the elite. This has effectively happened to New Mexico already, and Nevada isn't too far off. The Southern 1/3 of CA at the very least would belong here. The rest of CA would join with OR and WA to possibly join the West Coast of Canada, and this region could possibly become a sort of hippie white/pan-Asian region, what with Vancouver basically becoming a part of China over the last 30 years. The Eastern US is harder to predict.

Audacious Epigone said...

Sid,

That's what I thought from the get-go. I put $100 on Northam winning. His odds were 2:1, so I netted $50. The way it was billed as a horse race made me fairly confident that internal polling was looking good for Northam.

Feryl,

We really have no precedent to go off of, should demographics reach 50-60% POC

One thing that seems nearly certain under such circumstances is that support for secessionist movements among the 40%-50% of the population that is white will steadily rise.