Sunday, July 09, 2017

The left's oriental express

Legate of Judea pointed to an exit poll conducted by the Asian American Legal Defense and Education Fund that found Hillary Clinton's margin of victory among the country's "fastest growing minority" to be wider than the 'official' Edison poll commissioned by several major media companies. By reverse engineering results from Reuters-Ipsos' ongoing presidential approval poll, we can get a third Asian result there. The following table shows the results from each of the three polls in a two-way race:

PollClintonTrumpn =
AALDEF81%19%13,846
Edison71%29%~982
R-I65%35%1,161

In addition to a greater sample size, AALDEF asserts another reason its poll shows Democrats doing better than others do:
While Edison Research conducted polling in English and Spanish, AALDEF used questionnaires written in English and 11 Asian languages including Chinese, Bengali, Korean, Tagalog, and Vietnamese, plus volunteers who could speak 23 Asian languages and dialects.
Reuters-Ipsos doesn't indicate what languages, if any, beyond English are used in its polling.

More from AALDEF:
One of three (32%) Asian American voters surveyed said they were limited English proficient ("LEP"), which is defined as reading English less than "very well." ... Seven percent (7%) of voters said they had difficulty voting because no assistance was available in their native language, while 15% said they either used the interpreters or translated materials provided at the site or brought their own.
This suggests, unsurprisingly, that Asians who speak little to no English are even more inclined to vote Democrat than Asians who speak English are. The Tower of Babel could replace Washington DC as the country's most impenetrable Democrat stronghold.

Most Asian voters in the US were not born here:
Seventy-six percent (76%) of all respondents were foreign-born, naturalized citizens [were they?].
The following table from the AALDEF report shows how various Asian groups voted. Off to the left I've added the percentage growth in the number of migrants to the US from each of the countries listed from 1990 to 2015. The correlation between growth in the size of each particular Asian population over the last 25 years and voting for Clinton is .59 (p = .12):


It's almost as though the left is intentionally importing a new people, with special preference given to those most likely to vote for it.

18 comments:

Issac said...

Truly a model minority.

IHTG said...

There was a similar poll to this for Hispanics that showed them with a higher percentage for Clinton, but it was later shown to be implausible.

Random Dude on the Internet said...

Not surprised that a group focused on making Asian Americans into victims is projecting that Hillary did even better among Asians than previously thought.

John rockwell said...

Deporting all leftists will substantially fix the problem.

Black Death said...

"It's almost as though the left is intentionally importing a new people, with special preference given to those most likely to vote for it."

ALMOST?

Duke Norfolk said...

This should head off all the "well, maybe those east asians aren't really so bad" comments that we hear. Nonsense.

I don't want to live in New China, New India, New Pakistan, New Vietnam...

They all have to go back.

Audacious Epigone said...

Issac/Duke,

They behave well and they're economically productive but they're not us. That matters, and it will matter more the closer our numbers come towards parity in a single polity.

IHTG,

This group claims to have found similar results in previous presidential election cycles that are at odds with the Edison polls (in that the AALDEF poll always shows the Democrat doing even better with Asians than the Edison and other polls show).

The GSS sample is very small (n = 75) but it shows 69%-27% for Obama-Romney in 2012, which is closer to Edison than AALDEF. I wonder how many of these supposedly naturalized citizens who can't speak any English are actually, well, citizens. There could be something here.

Random Dude,

Touche.

Black Death,

I try to use Steve Sailer's famous understatement from time to time. I obviously can't pull it off as well.

Joshua Sinistar said...

Its no surprise is it? it shouldn't be. Irregardless of how smart or not smart the Asians are, they are not American. America is White. Western Civilization is White. Other races do not have the same values as Whites. That's why they come from countries that have no concept of "freedom" or any ideas of Individuality or Individual Effort. Orientals are kind of like ants. Hard working and industrious, but a great deal like a hive. There is a small leader class, and the rest fit neatly into a caste or niche and have no idea of ever wanting to leave.
They are NOT LIKE YOU, and don't want to be. They see Whites are no longer dominant and are backing the Strong Horse. They have no stake in America or Western Civilization. They never did, and NEVER WILL. This is not a World of Propositions and Ideology. You were fed lies. This has always been a World of Racial Interests. The Left isn't "obsessed with race". ITS ALL ABOUT RACE. YOU'VE BEEN LIED TO YOUR WHOLE LIFE.

Feryl said...

http://thefutureprimaeval.net/the-overton-bubble/

"The trouble with the Overton Window as a mechanism of political control, and with politicization of speech and thought in general, is that it causes significant collateral damage on the ability of your society to think clearly. If some thoughts are unthinkable and unspeakable, and the truth happens in some case to fall outside of polite consensus, then your ruling elite and their society will run into situations they simply can’t handle…. An unwise political elite is one incapable of thinking clearly about their strategic situation, acting in concert, or sticking to a plan…. An insecure political elite is one which has either no sufficient mechanisms of political power short of the politicization of speech and thought, or is faced by such powerful but somehow never decisively powerful enemies that they need to permanently escalate to a state of vigorous politicization of speech and thought. We can compare this state to “intellectual martial law” for its structural similarity to the physical-security equivalent."

http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/good-people-really/

"Here is a partial list of the current dogmas and shibboleths inside today’s Overton Bubble:"

Russia hacked the election of 2016 (no evidence required).
Russia (Vladimir Putin in particular) is bent on destroying the USA.
All immigrants, legal or illegal, have equal status before the law.
National borders are inconvenient, cruel, and obsolete.
Western Civilization is a malign force in human history.
Islam is “the religion of peace,” no matter how many massacres of “infidels” are carried out in its name.
Men are a negative force in society.
White men are especially negative.
Brownie points given for behaviors under the rubric LBGTQ.
All discussion about race problems and conflicts is necessarily racist.
The hijab (head covering worn in public by some Muslim women) is a device of liberation for women.
There should be a law against using the wrong personal pronoun for people who consider themselves neither men nor women (recently passed by the Canadian parliament).
A unifying common culture is unnecessary in national life (anything goes).
Colonizing Mars is a great solution to problems on Earth.

Me here- he goes on to say that current liberals do not accept criticism of these things for two reasons: First, an implacable sense of self-righteousness (pride goeth before the fall). Second, obvious status/career boosts.One thing he overlooks is that this all unified against white Protestant culture that gave us modern life. The only way to unite disparate groups is to make them believe that they're serving the ultimate goal of getting payback on blondes.

legateofjudea said...

AE - "They behave well and they're economically productive but they're not us. That matters, and it will matter more the closer our numbers come towards parity in a single polity."

Asians only diverged from Europeans 1,000 generations ago due to the difficulty of covering the geographic difference. Difference in gene frequency between groups, not new genes. It was inevitable these gaps would start to close with the improvements in transportation technology. The inter-marriage rate is quite high. "About 36% of Asian female newlyweds married outside their race in 2010". The number is higher for out of wedlock births. After two or three generations, there just won't be many people that feel like they are "not us". There won't be many Americans that feel they are "not us".

Audacious Epigone said...

Feryl,

Right, elites operating inside the Overton Window are like football coaches trying to win games by only dealing with offense and special teams while totally ignoring defense.

Legate,

Rates of interracial breeding for whites are still low. It will take more than "two or three generations".

Joshua Sinistar said...

The Left is hyperemotional but shallow. Like hotheads they blow their tops a lot but cannot make it last cause its such a common occurrence. They constantly reinforce their shibboleths for this reason. That and the typical short attention spans.
This crazy quilt cannot stay together. They are victims of their own success. That celebration of the end of Whites, pissed off Whites. It also made the aliens much more comfortable and less likely to cooperate. In a land where Whites still seem dominant, that crazy quilt must stay together for strength in numbers, but now that they are feeling more comfortable in their position, these groups that in reality HATE EACH OTHER will fly apart.
Somalis are already in sufficient numbers in Minnesota to take over candidates for Congress. They are now doing so. The Mestizos are the majority in California now. If they get them more involved in voting, they will go La Raza and dump the Dems. They have a huge problem getting them to vote in any but Mexican Elections. More participation here and they will be the ones who run.
There is no KKKrazy glue. This crazy quilt only stays together with FEAR of WHITE POWER. Now that they are saying Whites are being pushed out. It will fall apart like a cheap suit.

Thanks, J. said...

Whew just noting a percentage of my support for this Hyphen American (or "American") group like totally drop down to... doing some calculations, below 18% for sure let's say. I was above 50% "positive feelings", "ya know what, they're usually good citizens, smart". Yeah this isn't going to workout. Chinatowns were one thing.

legateofjudea said...

AE - Are you taking into consideration that Latinos in the United States are already 65% European, and Blacks are already 25% European? Two or three generations, assuming decreasing immigration, will have a significant impact. Whites are a larger share of the population, so other groups can become more like us while our marriage rates on a percentage basis are lower than theirs. Full convergence is not necessary to be less noticeable to most people. You are grouping all whites together, but gene frequencies vary depending on where most of a "white" persons European ancestry comes from. The smaller genetic correlation between nationalities within a continent is intuitively less important to you than the larger genetic correlation between continental groups (races).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4289685/

Feryl said...

" The Mestizos are the majority in California now. If they get them more involved in voting, they will go La Raza and dump the Dems."

As I've predicted, Cali's white and/or native born population appears to graying fast due to the state's living costs, constant invasion by foreigners, and white birth cohorts being much smaller after the Boomers. Joel Kotkin says that contrary to the state's "vibrant" reputation, many X-ers and Millennials who are native born Americans are fleeing the state and their counterparts in other parts of America are not coming to Cali.

The doddering white liberal elite currently presiding over most of California can't last forever. Furthermore, whereas East of the Rockies America has a more amicable relationship between whites and Hispanics, the same cannot be said for the ultra liberal West Coast.

Audacious Epigone said...

Joshua,

Even with the official Goldsteins--heterosexual white men with Trump as the ultimate Goldstein--salient than ever, the stitches keep coming apart in different places of the crazy quilt. They think that if they win they'll get a corptocracy with a racially diverse set of 1%ers as the ultimate managerial state's managers. They'll be in for a rude awakening.

Thanks, J,

They're admirable but they're not us. Fix China, fix North Korea. Then let's have dual civilizations, the East and the West, functionally coexisting.

Legate,

That's Mike Judge's mocha-colored future as depicted in Idiocracy. Contemporaneously, that's basically South America. Genetically it's mostly (southern) European. But aside from Chile and Uruguay, there's a big quality of life difference between South America and Western Europe or the Anglophone diaspora countries.

legateofjudea said...

AE - lets think about Idiocracy. Its a nice thought experiment. Essentially, the intelligence of the population fell. They was going to be a die off, but they were saved by a man from the past. In the real world, there is no time travel. In a resource scarce environment, intelligence levels have to rise because survival is difficult. The future predicted in Idiocracy was not a stable state. It would have led to a die off among the unintelligent. Right now we are in a resource plentiful environment and we are selecting for genes that prevent obesity in the modern environment, and the ability to reproduce quickly. However, I believe this will change within a generation.

As far as standard of living goes, the best measurement we have is per capita GDP on a purchasing power parity basis. By that measurement, there is a lot of overlap in the standard of living of Central / Eastern Europe and South American countries. It should be noted that the United States has a standard of living far above Western Europe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

Audacious Epigone said...

Legate,

The lead in Idiocracy, with an IQ of 100, is allegedly the smartest person alive in 2505. Yes, that's absurd. The level of civilization wouldn't be what we have in the movie, it'd be comparable to what australopithecus came up with.