Tuesday, February 21, 2017

Unpacking Milo

A few comments:

- Why did he contract with a major publisher like Simon and Schuster? Milo's celebrity has skyrocketed over the last year. He had become a powerful brand name in his own right, to such an extent that long before his book was even written--let alone published--it was a bestseller on Amazon. Simon and Schuster had nothing to do with that.

The only reason to use a major publisher today is to take advantage of their promotional infrastructure and reach, but Simon and Schuster offered Milo nothing in this regard. Major publishing houses take huge commissions compared to independent publishers and they exert more editorial control than independent publishers to boot. Additionally, major publishers, who release tens of thousands of titles each year, have no problem walking away from one of their own authors, even those as lucrative as Milo.

If Milo had gone with someone like Castalia House, the manufactured outrage made about old comments that have been in the public domain for a year, wouldn't have been able to cascade out of control like this one has.

He was also cut from the CPAC lineup. Why even sign up for that moribund gathering? Take a page out of "daddy's" book and leave the cuckservatives hanging (yes, I know Trump is speaking this year, but as a negotiator he knows he holds all the cards this time around while he emphatically would not have if he'd showed up last year--Trump's a master at understanding these sorts of dynamics).

- When you're launching an assault onto hostile territory as the Alt Right and Alt Lite are, to go on the defensive is to concede the battle. He should've reframed immediately by pointing out that having sex with teenagers is normal in the MENA countries all these so-called refugees are pouring into the West from. They're not just making off-colored jokes about it, they're boinking 14 year-olds--boys and girls--every day. Their prophet married a girl when she was six and took her virginity when she was nine.

- The Cathedral votaries who are crucifying Milo are using pedophilia as a pretext for doing so. They have no problem with it. To the contrary, many of these sickos are participants. Playing with fire is a good way to get burned. The constant heckling of a flamboyant fag for his alleged pedophilia is going to prime the public in a way that may not redound to the benefit of powerful people like Chuck Schumer, the Clintons, or Jeffery Epstein's other co-travelers in the not-so-distant future.

- As previously noted, this is purely opportunistic, insincere outrage. These videos have been on youtube for a year. From CNN (my emphasis):
The professional provocateur has resigned as an editor at Breitbart News amid a firestorm over unearthed comments in which he seemed to endorse sex between "younger boys and older men."

...

While Yiannopoulos has made a living off deliberately offensive statements, his comments on two recently discovered video clips proved too much, even for his friends and colleagues at Breitbart.
None of these people get exercised about pedophilia unless it is to pretend that pedophiles are no more likely to have relations with those of the same sex than normal people are. It was only when Milo got too big for his britches by humiliating a couple of black stooges in front of a national audience that they strung him up:


- This is another example of why punching to the right in an attempt to placate the left isn't just despicable, it's futile. Milo has repeatedly celebrated Richard Spencer being battered on camera. A lot of good that did him. Disavowing the few who aren't afraid of thunder means you're on your own when the storm clouds roll in.

- Homosexuality is deviancy:



What Milo is getting at here--that the issue isn't age per se but pubescence--is easily comprehensible in biological terms when heterosexuals are involved. The lust of a man for a female who is showing signs of fertility isn't pedophilia. Her age is irrelevant. That doesn't mean the lust is socially or culturally optimal--it's clearly not in the 21st century Western world, where life cycles are slower now than they were millennia ago--but biologically it's perfectly normal.

He does a poor job expressing as much because homosexuality isn't biologically normal, it's deviant. The strong demarcation between pre- and post-pubescence that exists as a subconscious indicator of sexual interest for heterosexuals is hazier for homosexuals. Because the sex is non-reproductive, it's not driven by indications of fertility. Consequently, gays and straights have trouble expressing their sexual proclivities to one another.

- Finally, I'm surprised he didn't try to play it off by attributing it to his Greek heritage. It wouldn't even be a purely rhetorical ploy--the types of relationships he is flirting with here characterize the most normalized variety of male-to-male relationships in ancient Greece. I suppose appearing to throw the heroic Greeks under the bus to save yourself wouldn't do much for his fan base.

29 comments:

Feryl said...

There are so many people of dubious sexual history on either side of the aisle, and in any bitchy/highly verbal field. But they're mostly off-limits unless they step on the wrong toes or their compulsions become stupidly obvious (like Jerry Sanduski or Larry Craig). Can't think of the address at the moment, but I did find a website that listed closeted politicians busted for retarded perv-outs involving stuff like public sex and propositioning cops,.

And Milo's offense isn't even criminal; it's just a breach of what most (people outside of Manhattan, Frisco, L.A., Portland, and Seattle) regard as the correct propriety in post-Carter sexual rhetoric where the one unimpeachable and constant taboo is condoning adults having underage relationships. Hell, the video was floating around for months and didn't make an impact until the octopus decided to hang it around his neck.

In case we didn't realize it already, we've got to be sure that Trumps closest circles of allies are squeaky clean. If they use their vast propaganda and financial resources to punish someone for unflattering statements, think about what they could do with stronger material.

They keep on pushing. At what point do we go on offense? When will Trump go nuclear with Jeff Epstein, Pizzagate, Corey Feldman, etc.? Or busting up the corporate leviathan that owns the media?

I wish they'd get the cabinet stuff over with. But I know how it goes. They're trying to snarl up his Admin. for as long as possible. I wonder how McCuck/Loser Gayman and their surrogates are spending their time. How much are they trying to compromise Trump allies/fence sitters? How much are they concealing themselves and their true agenda while they try to hook more people into opposing and taking out Trump?

The Senate is definitely the traitor wing. What can he do to put them in their place?

I don't expect the real blitzkrieg to commence until the cabinet's in place, at the very least. We shouldn't get too worked up over waiting to get "our guy" on the supreme court, especially when there's no guarantee at all that he'll side with regular Americans. At the end of the day, we don't have a clue how much time we've got to get what we want. We can't afford to be patient; we can't go the moderate 1st term, extreme 2nd term route. Not when we don't have a clue just how far the opposition will go against Trump.

Dan said...

Hopefully Milo will emerge stronger. His personal reach is now enormous.

Apparently he had the flu on the day that the whole world went Emmanuel Goldstein on him.

What pisses me off is that if we go by these standards then half of the left should be impaled on stakes. George Takei said the exact same thing and faces zero consequences.

Now he will answer to nobody at all.

But God-damn that Egg McMuffin turd and those on the right who went along with the obvious hit.

I signed up for CPAC today. Last year (the only time I went) I hung out with Pax and Chuck C. Johnson and pushed Trump like a madman to hundreds of people with the white paper that I wrote. I'll try to see if I can do some good this year.

Hopefully I know who to look out for now.

http://gotnews.com/bird-heard-round-world-wesearchr-cto-paxdickinson-becomes-global-media-poster-child-maga-victory/


TangoMan said...

If Milo had gone with someone like Castalia House, the manufactured outrage made about old comments that have been in the public domain for a year, wouldn't have been able to cascade out of control like this one has.

Two phenomena can ride alongside each other, looking similar, and be thought of as one. For instance, intelligence and schooling. Economic returns to education are pretty good. Then you control for intelligence and see that is accounts for most of the returns.

Same process with Milo and his rise. Sometimes a man's rise is the result of his actions and other times he's a symbol of something greater. Milo is more the latter than the former, so matters spinning out of control would, undoubtedly, sink a man rising on his own actions but will likely have no effect on a man riding a cultural moment. Someone fighting against liberal oppressive speech codes and political correctness is going to be immune to Simon and Shuster reneging on their contract with Milo.

He was also cut from the CPAC lineup. Why even sign up for that moribund gathering?

Conquer new territory. Crave legitimacy. He can't be an over-the-top flaming faggot forever, the schtick wears thin after some time.

He should've reframed immediately by pointing out that having sex with teenagers

Yeah, he should have.

- This is another example of why punching to the right in an attempt to placate the left isn't just despicable, it's futile

Cucks are going to cuck. Stupid. They should have left Milo to continue to attack the Left. This pederasty issue shouldn't have been touched. If the Left wanted to use it, imagine the problems they'd face, they'd rile up the homo community by using such an attack.

Now the cucks have Milo focused on them. He'll probably ease up on the Left and begin attacking the more immediate target. This should really help the Right. The cirucular firing squads should all be on the Left.

Milo has repeatedly celebrated Richard Spencer being battered on camera. A lot of good that did him. Disavowing the few who aren't afraid of thunder means you're on your own when the storm clouds roll in.

Yup.

Dan said...

Milo's adversaries, the black bloc, takes one in the chin.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/02/200-violent-rioters-indicted-felony-rioting-charges-inauguration-day/

With luck, some of them will flip on their masters and some big fish will come of this.

I think 214 felony convictions beats the loss of a speaking gig on a cucky platform.

Dan said...

I should say *indictments*, so far. This is the core of the hard left. Trump and their prison cellmates tag teaming to break them.

Say, anyone else want to join black bloc?

Santoculto said...

I think you're not qualified to say anything with more substance about homossexuality than

''homossexuality is not biologically normal''

ok

so millions of adults believing in gross fairy tales is normal.


Normal is just the phenotype who was succesful to reproduce and to become a majority, it's the norm.

It's not IDEAL.

If normal is avg joey with your beer, footbal/soccer, playboy posters, easily distracted and insensitive, so normal = mediocre, primitive...

Do you can ACCEPT it*

Yes, because we are talking about ACCEPT and not UNDERSTAND.

Accept a valid macro-factual point is sign of maturity.

If you dislike homossexuality ok, deal with it, but stop to repeat the same thing endless as if were change something.

I always love to use the example of creativity, hBABIES seems unable to understand, or better, TO ACCEPT. If you guys were less ideologically-driven on the neo con right you will accept that creativity is not just strongly correlated with organic disorders because creativity is a organic disorder itself and without it we no had nothing we have today even with many costs.

There are some people who will not procreate, deal with it or even better, don't deal with it, it's not important, it's not your responsibility. Life, for people as me, is super important to be treated like that, at genetic bureaucracy.

Yes, heterossexuality is important to sustain a population but by now is very clear that the way man and woman has been selected it wasn't working anymore. The masses we see (and you*** and, most of smoorther ones**) walking into the street show that there is something deep wrong with humankind.

Milo is a one person who don't represent many homossexuals, in the same way heterossexual pedophiles are not representative of most heteros isn't*


''What Milo is getting at here--that the issue isn't age per se but pubescence--is easily comprehensible in biological terms when heterosexuals are involved. The lust of a man for a female who is showing signs of fertility isn't pedophilia. ''

JEEEEEZ

the eternal ''rationalization'' or 'obfuscation''

ALWAYS

Do you CAN'T observe you are ''rationalizing'' heterossexual ''pedophilia'' or ephebofilia**

Or your are self-blinded*

always the same twin-monsters

- sister cognitive dissonance
- brother Dunning-Kruger syndrome


Traits varies, yep**

Sexual precocity varies...

Some girls are just lolitas, they are precociously sexual maybe they mature earlier than other girls. I'm not defending anything but behind this distant observation we have daily situations where this types of girls and boys will search for sex anyway. I'm against this situation because i believe organically and mentally non-matured human beings can't do things they are not complete aware about their consequences.

Don't blame homossexuality when we have a co-phenotype (ephebofilia + homossexuality)


Dan said...

@Santoculto -- This blog is based on data and reality as it is.

The statement 'homosexuality is not biologically normal' is not anything to get angry about. Its just a statement of fact. Sex evolved for reproduction.

Male attraction toward sexually mature females is biologically normal. Every branch in every family tree for every person happened that way, going back millions of years.

If reality upsets you, you are going to spend a lot of time being mad at the world.

Anonymous said...

Like I said about Spencer; gays gonna gay. I'd be very cautious ever getting behind a homosexual as a movement figurehead. If it comes between self-promotion/"I'm so naughty" versus winning, gay is gonna always hit the ground ball. You should distance from gays politically and in your personal life, they tend to have a lot of sickness on them you don't want to catch.

Be careful about Peter Thiel.

Jack Burton said...

There is definitely selective outrage and malicious use of faux morality as a weapon.

There are numerous examples of actual pedophilia such as Lena Dunham, including incest, and yet no outrage, no penalty.

Then you have George Takei who had a similar experience to Milo's. His career is doing just fine! Stern and others just laugh about it with no conscience at all like the sociopaths that they are!

https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/834437635871481857

Now, I don't defend Milo. After all, he did denounce the Alt Right and identity politics. While it's technically not pedophilia, it is pederasty and many people perceive it as pedophilia. The onset of puberty does not mean one is mature. There is a transition period, which is why we have age of consent laws. A 12 or 13-year-old is not cognitively developed enough to give consent even if they say so.

People are not upset with Milo for what happened to him as a minor. He was a victim in the eyes of the law. It was statutory rape. What people object to is his advocacy of pederasty as an adult now, two decades later.

This just highlights why controlling the narrative is so important.

Langley said...

Hell hath no fury like a Dangerous Fagot:

https://milo.yiannopoulos.net/2017/02/takei-child-molestation/

The Whiskey Rebellion is about to begin:

https://whiskeysplace.wordpress.com/2014/04/26/hollywoods-gay-rape-scandal-a-classic-agency-problem/

And the backdorvil dam collapsed:

Jake Tapper, @ReaganBatallion respond to Milo Yiannopoulos–George Takei comparison https://t.co/m8cLsHmbVI

— Twitchy Team (@TwitchyTeam) February 22, 2017

http://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2017/02/22/uh-oh-video-surfaces-of-bill-maher-condoning-sex-between-an-adult-and-a-14-year-old/

“Events my dear boy, events.”

Audacious Epigone said...

Feryl,

Trump almost certainly is squeaky clean when it comes to pedophilia--if there was something indicting, it would've come out already. Trump's normal, healthy non-deviant sexual preferences are another reason other elites hate him so much. And the access he has now could put him in an incredibly strong position if he gets access to the dirt store on the political class in general. Let's say hypothetically he gets Comey in his corner and the FBI and Sessions get information to Trump that compromises 'leading' senators like Schumer and pedoface Lindsey Graham among others. Trump, who has no loyalty for those bastards, could turn them all into his bitches pronto.

Dan,

Haha, I remember that from last year, thanks for the memory.

Go fight the good fight at CPAC. It'll be interesting to see how many red hats are there this year.

Incidentally, thanks also for stating the obvious to Santo.

TangoMan,

Maybe he can weather the combined forces of major media, the cuckservative movement, and a loss of an official position (editor at Breitbart) and come out stronger than before. If so, bravo to him. But he didn't need to put himself in a position where he had to take all three of these things on at once. Now he has no choice.

Jack Burton,

Well said.

Langley,

It's hard to count how many worm cans this opens up. It hurts Milo primarily in that it gives anyone who wants to a pretense to shut him down in exactly the same way he cheered Richard Spencer being shut down. He isn't going to be able to hide behind his homosexuality any more. But the fallout is going to hit a lot of people on the left and cuckservatives as well. In the cold calculus of it all, this Milo affair probably helps the Alt Right.

Feryl said...

I've heard the infamous tape again, listened to it pretty close. I actually don't find much of it all that offensive; it's basically common sense regarding age in gay relations. The most crass remark sounds awfully like a joke, not at all out of character for Milo who plays a comedian most of the time. And god knows how far these people go; remember when Gilbert Gottfried joked about tsunami victims like 1 day after they died?

We're so damn touchy these days about age and sexuality. And heteros in particular are full of it if they think Milo is promoting something radical. Young gays typically feel isolated from the situation they are born into and often feel like straights can't relate to them. It's not surprising that they (usually on purpose) associate with older gays.

On Adam Carolla's podcast, they brought up how novel our sexual paternalism and hysteria is. Before the 80's, nobody thought anything of straight guys lusting for 16 year old girls. There certainly was some fear regarding the possibility of an adult exploiting a minor, but there wasn't shame in an adult man acknowledging attraction to teen girls.

And Milo does make a distinction in the offending podcast between true pedophilia (attraction to pre-teens) and what he's more understanding of (teens having relationships with adults).

Irony here is that world wide rings devoted to trafficking underage girls and boys to decadent elites go largely unpunished while Milo is cast out for failing to vociferously attack the practice of adult/minor relationships. Note that Milo himself never confesses to doing this kind of thing as an adult. Actual crimes and exploitation are swept under the rug while they pile onto someone who merely failed to express the appropriate horror towards a teen and adult having sex.

TangoMan said...

Before the 80's, nobody thought anything of straight guys lusting for 16 year old girls.

Fast Times at Ridgemont High. Ron, the "high status" stereo salesman seduces Stacy and makes her dreams come true with a shagging in a dugout. Later she's upset about the pump and dump but seems to roll with it. Then comes smooth talker Damone, the minute man, who knocks her up. Far more turmoil in her life, especially in her social world, which she coinhabits with Damone, than what happened with Ron, who is out of sight and out of mind.

Joshua Sinistar said...

Milo and his Fake Alt-Right ops like Vox Day's Alt West are trying to coopt all of you. He's not a White Nationalist. He's a fag who sucks black cocks. Its what they did to the TEA Party. They are putting fake "leaders" that aren't you. This clown isn't being hurt. He's the typical dysfunctional fag that the Lincoln Log Cabin boys play with. He's also a jew so he will be able to count on his bad genes to brush off anything from this - he hopes.

You're all being played. Alt-Lite, and Alt-West are just controlled opposition, and CPAC is cuck a doodle flaccid all day anyway.

Audacious Epigone said...

Feryl,

Irony here is that world wide rings devoted to trafficking underage girls and boys to decadent elites go largely unpunished while Milo is cast out for failing to vociferously attack the practice of adult/minor relationships. Note that Milo himself never confesses to doing this kind of thing as an adult. Actual crimes and exploitation are swept under the rug while they pile onto someone who merely failed to express the appropriate horror towards a teen and adult having sex.

The "anarcho-tyranny" concept is an invaluable one in understanding the contemporary West.

they brought up how novel our sexual paternalism and hysteria is. Before the 80's, nobody thought anything of straight guys lusting for 16 year old girls. There certainly was some fear regarding the possibility of an adult exploiting a minor, but there wasn't shame in an adult man acknowledging attraction to teen girls.

It's another form of ritual humiliation, where people are forced to lie about perfectly normal, healthy things. Sometimes bringing up the naturalistic fallacy is an indication of thoughtfulness, but not here!

Joshua,

If Milo has a core, it's not apparent what it entails. But he's useful to us insofar as he regular butchers sacred cows in front of crowds of the Cathedral's young initiates.

Vox Day predates the rise of the Alt Right and he's done a tremendous amount of logistical work to ensure that it is more than just an intellectual movement by creating a sustainable infrastructure for that intellectual movement to operate on.

Feryl said...

The 90's is actually when the hysteria really took off. That's also when autistic feminism took off too ("take back the night", um, good luck doing that without a male protector).

Perhaps, the pusillanimous cuckery among males during the "we're all Homer Simpson now" post 1990 era has driven virtue signalling. How progressive and protective of the fairer sex am I? Why, I don't even think of touching a girl until she's out of college. And ya know, it's creepy for an older dude to be with a gal whose 5-10+ years younger. I mean, can't women conceive at like, 47, these days anyway?

To think that this no-T cowardice has occurred in tandem with the growth of sexist ethnic groups in the West as well as the push to normalize fags and trannies.

Steve Johnson said...

"The Cathedral votaries who are crucifying Milo are using pedophilia as a pretext for doing so. They have no problem with it. To the contrary, many of these sickos are participants. Playing with fire is a good way to get burned. The constant heckling of a flamboyant fag for his alleged pedophilia is going to prime the public in a way that may not redound to the benefit of powerful people like Chuck Schumer, the Clintons, or Jeffery Epstein's other co-travelers in the not-so-distant future."

I think it's actually the opposite - they know instinctively not to look too closely at the evidence of what's going in that clique because they'll find out things so they react by lashing out and trying to pin something "similar" on the "other side". Then if anyone gets indicted over the Epstein stuff or pizzagate stuff they brush it off with something about Milo.

Same pattern in the election when Hillary had obvious criminality and treason problems from a career of influence peddling for 30+ years and they tried to pretend there were the same types of scandals around Trump.

WeAreTheWest said...

"Milo has repeatedly celebrated Richard Spencer being battered on camera."

He did? I missed that.

Santoculto said...

''This blog is based on data and reality as it is.''


Data and reality.


''The statement 'homosexuality is not biologically normal' is not anything to get angry about. Its just a statement of fact. Sex evolved for reproduction.''

NORMAL, read again my comments if you really want have a decent comment.


white trash

''If reality upsets you, you are going to spend a lot of time being mad at the world.''

the white trash eternal SLAVE can't decide what is real and what is not, all the time they put their feelings in wrong place, they are unable to think in decent way. It's absolutely symptomatic that all this RIDICULOUS shit is happening again in the ''west'' and you're a good example of it.

Insensitive and proto-robots cons ''think'' reality is only ''facts''.

You can't accept that homossexuality is part of sexuality spectrum because your mental maturity is around 18 years, and i'm being benevolent with this estimative.

All the time

people who think they are smarter than they actually are;

cognitive dissonance

''facts for us, madness for you''

So sorry for this planet this white trash there are and doing this world a worst place ever since a long time, a long story of stupidity made in white shit real madminds.

Dan said...

Once more unto the breach! I'm off!

Audacious Epigone said...

WeAreTheWest,

He said it a couple of times in recent college talks he gave. I subscribe to his podcast and hear them there but I'm not sure which ones in particular. I'm pretty sure he said it at his talk in Boulder.

WeAreTheWest said...

It's at 15:40 in that video. I can't imagine you think this justifies Spencer's nuclear blitz, particularly since (as I recall) Spencer has never been especially fond of Milo.

Audacious Epigone said...

WeAreTheWest,

You're right, I don't. This internecine fighting is stupid, though Milo/Cernovich started it. They also glommed onto an alt right garden that Spencer had tended for several years.

James said...

I think a valid question would be:

How long do you think it will be before pedophilia is mainstreamed?

"Intellectuals" always lash out at slippery slope arguments. But, the slippery slope always happens. So, just as conservatives argued against homosexual behavior as a starting point for even more deviant behavior, how long before "love can take many forms" will blossom into Islamic sexual behavior? Like deflowering 9 year old girls and boys?

WeAreTheWest said...

AE:

>>This internecine fighting is stupid
For sure.

>> though Milo/Cernovich started it. They also glommed onto an alt right garden
I figure that's how Spencer sees it, but Milo/Cern (and others) have always denied being Alt-Right. (Heck VD only accepted the label after it was forced on him.) VD & Ilk have likened the Alt-Lite to your porch...you go through it to get in the house. That's why it never bothered me that Milo had so much more popularity (of/c: his positions are much easier for cucks to swallow) or when Milo said untoward things about us, and why I was so impressed when he defended Nazi memes in various interviews.

Audacious Epigone said...

James,

It feels like a long time ago now, but those relevant questions were the ones people opposed to same-sex marriage asked. They are no less legitimate now than they were then. To the contrary, they're even more relevant now.

Unknown said...

Here's a thing that I have noticed consistently among contrarians: any knowledge or information on gay pederasty is thrust aside with the 'Well people in MENA countries do it too.' That, or bring up the fact that Jews are more tolerant of homosexuality than Protestants and Catholics are, though most polls show that even their acceptance is growing. Gallup states that 63% of Americans, including Catholics, find nothing wrong with homosexuality.

Milo's comments on pederasty in the gay world were true. It took more than a year for anyone to say anything, Left and Right. Yes, you have people like George Takei who were sexually abused at age 13 by someone who was supposed to be guiding them (in his case, a gay scout master) that the Right points out as someone who advocates man-boy love and gets away with it. The Right complains that they shouldn't have to explain members of their community who do the same - a similar tactic Muslims use when told to dissociate with Islamic terrorism. Regardless, both Right and Left, and even you to a point, ignore gay pederasty.

Unknown said...

Pt. 2

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In the case of Ancient Greece, that is a story promoted by gay scholars that wanted to re-write history to make classical, advanced civilizations tolerant of their vices. In the case of Athens, Aeschines makes the best case in his 'Against Timarchus':

"And what does he say? “If any Athenian,” he says, “shall have prostituted his person, he shall not be permitted to become one of the nine archons,” because, no doubt, that official wears the wreath;1“nor to discharge the office of priest,” as being not even clean of body; “nor shall he act as an advocate for the state,” he says, “nor shall ever hold any office whatsoever, at home or abroad,whether filled by lot or by election; nor shall he be a herald or an ambassador —nor shall he prosecute men who have served as ambassadors, nor shall he be a hired slanderer— “nor ever address senate or assembly,” not even though he be the most eloquent orator in Athens. And if any one contrary to these prohibitions, the lawgiver has provided for criminal process on the charge of prostitution, and has prescribed the heaviest penalties therefor. Read to the jury this law also, that you may know, gentlemen, in the face of what established laws of yours, so good and so moral, Timarchus has had the effrontery to speak before the people—a man whose character is so notorious."

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0002%3Aspeech%3D1%3Asection%3D19

Timarchus was a man much like Milo. Had the archons been as pro-gay as people are now, they would regard the entire trial as a farce and would dismiss Aeschines. Yet in his treatise, Aeschines writes that he refuses to talk about what Timarchus did, because it was so beastly and despicable it would disgust the archons. If they were pro-gay or gay men themselves, nothing of what Timarchus did would shock them.

Sparta also forbade pederastic relationships. Sparta is the strongest case against sanctioned homosexuality.

Unknown said...

Pt. 3

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Later, you write:

"The lust of a man for a female who is showing signs of fertility isn't pedophilia. Her age is irrelevant. That doesn't mean the lust is socially or culturally optimal--it's clearly not in the 21st century Western world, where life cycles are slower now than they were millennia ago--but biologically it's perfectly normal."

If age is irrelevant, why the problem over migrant men getting nervous around European teenage girls in bikinis? After all, it's perfectly normal for them to get lusty. But it's just bad when they do it, right?

Biologically, no, it isn't normal per se. The girl's cervix will not be properly developed and she has a greatest risk of suffering complications with birth than she would if fully matured - around 19 or 20. This was the age of proper marriage for English girls in the late 19th century. Plus, her neurological functions have not matured yet, and the same applies to the father. Yes, in the past, girls were married young - age 13 and up. When they started menstruation. But it was when the marriage was CONSUMMATED is what counts. When you have teenage moms, back then or now, it doesn't lead to a very stable family. King Louis IX's wife was 13 when he married her, and he twenty, but they didn't actually have sex until she was 19, the perfect age of fertility and development.

And the word you're looking for is hebephilia. While teenagers are not pre-pubescent children, we don't trust them to make proper sexual choices. An older man lusting after her that is beyond her age range isn't exactly normal. Even the most beautiful Russian or Filipino mail order brides are 18-19 when they get bought.

In regards to Church abuse, you DO realize those priests exclusively went after boys, right? Very few went after girls. The fact that they were abusing boys and the Church was covering it up meant that the fact that gay priests are bad for business wouldn't sit well. The problem could be fixed by removing gay priests from service, but alas, people on all sides of the fence would cry homophobia.

Reading the comments, I notice that people ignored the main crux of the Milo incident: he groomed the Right to become just another pro-gay platform. The 'Islam is bad because it hates gays' is still their main talking point. Richard Spencer is no better, as he believes homosexuality is implicit white identity, a last stand, so to speak.

Age doesn't matter, unless you're a gay man. Then it has no bounds. Milo or George Takei, it doesn't matter: they are both gay men dearly loved by their select movements, and people are barred from criticizing them. Pro-gay sentiment is a growing trend.