Friday, June 26, 2015

Show matrimonial love by spreading it around far and wide

Anthony Kennedy, writing for the majority:
It would misunderstand these men and women to say they disrespect the idea of marriage. Their plea is that they do respect it, respect it so deeply that they seek to find its fulfillment for themselves.
A graphical representation of data compiled from the GSS over the last few years:

No less respectable a media organ of the Cathedral than The New York Times reported the same half a decade ago.

If the presumption is that marriage precludes extramarital sexual activity, then it seems reasonable to argue that opening it up to same-sex couples does in fact "disrespect the idea of marriage".

Perhaps it's time for that aspect of the definition of marriage to change as well. Expect it to be the next big Cathedral objective after the holy warriors are done mopping up any residual resistance to transgendering.

Parenthetically, lest there be any doubt about the Cathedral's zeal for the gay cause, consider it utterly dispelled.


Anonymous said...

I think a lot of the gays, lesbians and bisexuals who cheat on their spouse do so because they are in a straight marriage. There should be no social shaming of openly LGBT people. There should be only shaming of closeted ones, because those are the ones who dupe straight people into marriage.

Jokah Macpherson said...

Anon's point is valid. On the other hand, I think it's time the GSS starts tracking same-sex vs. opposite sex spouse so we can study behavior in same-sex marriages. I know there has been evidence from other sources that gay marriages tend to be more open. Not sure about lesbians.

As an example, the film Philomena from a few years ago, based on real-life events, portrayed Michael Hess's partner as his lifelong soulmate but never explained how Michael was the only one from the couple who died of AIDS.

Audacious Epigone said...

For whatever reason, the GSS asked about the sex of a spouse among those in civil unions in 2008, and then in 2010, 2012, and 2014 dropped that question and instead asked about sexual orientation. It would've been convenient if the 2008 question would've been amended for marital partners and then asked, but logistically that would've required an extra question be asked that is redundant in most cases.

Audacious Epigone said...

That is, amended to inquire about marital partners and then asked in 2010-2014 in concert with the question about sexual orientation.

faf said...

Any lifestyle that actively promotes disease (and is itself caused by disease, if Cochran is correct, as I believe he is) should be discouraged.

Anonymous said...

I am a gay man. I honestly don't know how to feel about engaging in a relationship with another man. I am certain of one thing. I am thankful that I have one mother and one father. I wonder how many children raised by homosexual parents truly wish they had been raised by 1 mother and 1 father. If a child says he/she is fine being raised by 2 of the same, then that child is partially shitting you. I'm sure that child loves his/her parents, but that child knows that there is something missing.

chris said...

@ Audacious Epigone


I asked

"Are our IP Addresses attached to our comments?

If so, are such attachments permanent such that comments made it the past here can be traced to us?"

And you replied,


Not that I'm able to access since it's not my web space. Obviously blogger, owned by google, theoretically could."

If that is the case I was wondering if you are able to delete comments so that the IP address is removed from attachment to that comment?

Anonymous said...

The most pragmatic way to deal with LGBT people is to give them legal rights. Homophobia just causes more gays and lesbians to dupe straight people into fraudulant marriages, which leads to divorce most of the time. It also leads gays and lesbians into producing biological children, which I am against. Society is better off if LGBT people are allowed to have same sex marriages, while simultaneously being banned from using sperm donors/egg donors/surrogate mothers. Married LGBT couples should be encouraged to adopt the orphans that no-one else wants.

Saint Louis said...

As someone else alluded to, lesbians probably stray less frequently, suppressing the percentage for all homosexuals. Can you break it down by males and females? I'm guessing the percentage for homosexual men will be huge.

Audacious Epigone said...

Saint Louis,

Yes, I expected the same but the cheat rate for gay/bi men is 50% and for lesbian/bi women is 42%. Maybe gay relationships are as open for women as for men, and though gay men have more sex than gay women do, at some point many gay women also have 'sex' with someone other than a spouse.

Audacious Epigone said...


Blogger doesn't let me see it.

panjoomby said...

thanks for Chris's IP address!

JayMan said...

Sample sizes may be too small, but you may need to split out those who are gay from those who are bisexual.

A bisexual person may have sex with someone other than their spouse who is the opposite sex of their spouse – and with full approval of said spouse.

Ultimately, what non-heterosexuals do differently from heterosexuals in relationships and marriage is tangential to the issue of marriage. We knew before hand that they are different.