Monday, January 27, 2014

Born this way if gay, otherwise we all find our own way!

++Addition++Jayman adds yet another layer of ironic inanity in the comments:
Irony comes in because (obligate homosexual men, who what most are concerned with) were not "born that way" at all, since male homosexuality almost certainly is the result of a childhood infection. 
Worse still, homophobia (or homoaversion, as it should properly called, according to Greg Cochran) is itself heritable, at least 54% so. Yes, homophobes were much more "born that way" than homosexuals themselves! 
It doesn't get much more ironic than that. 
But the "born that way" meme does speak towards the prevailing attitude towards genetics. Nothing undesirable can be much heritable, for if it is so, it is seen as (not exactly accurately) being immutable. Hence, this is why sexual orientation can be inborn, but IQ, sex, or racial differences cannot.
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 Intellectual consistency isn't exactly one of the first phrases that comes to mind when characterizing the contemporary progressive left, but isn't there just a little bit of uncomfortable cognitive dissonance felt among votaries of the Cathedral that the born-this-way message (with regards to homosexuality) is the biggest story coming out of three hours of pop culture autofellatio that is the Grammy's? So many other characteristics that have similarly innate and unchangeable (or at least inelastic) biological roots--like IQ, athletic ability, physical attractiveness, personality traits--are treated as though they are amenable to change through education and intervention.

Mock the "right wing conservatives" who think homosexuality is a personal decision, but Teach for America to make low IQ kids from the urban core into college material and undergo 10,000 hours of practice to become the next Tiger Woods and change cultural constructions of what constitutes beauty to make sows like the woman who sang with Macklemore start being perceived by red-blooded men as being as attractive as the cheerleader next door and foster an ownership society by giving free houses to people with poor credit to make them more conscientious!

To make the inane spectacle richer still, the thing being celebrated by those who superciliously parade their belief in evolution as evidence of their scientific credentials is a Darwinian death sentence. What's worse than syphilis, anemia, obesity, dementia, or any of so many countless other diseases, maladies, and conditions when it comes to evolutionary fitness? Homosexuality, of course.

10 comments:

A. Carrick Bend said...

I think the middle paragraph was the best you have ever written. Epic.

JayMan said...

The "born that way" meme about sexual orientation is perhaps in the monumental heights of irony ever to occur in the human species. As well, it speaks to a mentality about heredity and genetics in the modern Western mind.

The irony comes in because (obligate homosexual men, who what most are concerned with) were not "born that way" at all, since male homosexuality almost certainly is the result of a childhood infection.

Worse still, homophobia (or homoaversion, as it should properly called, according to Greg Cochran) is itself heritable, at least 54% so. Yes, homophobes were much more "born that way" than homosexuals themselves!

It doesn't get much more ironic than that.

But the "born that way" meme does speak towards the prevailing attitude towards genetics. Nothing undesirable can be much heritable, for if it is so, it is seen as (not exactly accurately) being immutable. Hence, this is why sexual orientation can be inborn, but IQ, sex, or racial differences cannot.

One can't help but think whenever the "born that way" idea goes down in flames, it will be a serious schadenfreude moment.

Audacious Epigone said...

ACB,

Thanks, it's appreciated.

JayMan,

Well put, per usual. I've linked to it in the body of the post.

JayMan said...

Thank you. :)

For the record (since this needs to be said for those who jump to conclusions based on what I said), I have nothing again gays, I actually do have plenty of gay friends. But, as should be clear from all the stuff I talk about, I do have something against bullshit. My aim is to get at the truth as with all things. I would hope that is understood that I or Cochran or others can talk about the likely infectious origin to homosexuality without being necessarily hateful.

Additionally, one of the things I'm concerned about is what happens when people find out that male homosexuality likely has a pathogenic cause? Odds are it won't be good:

Gay Germ Fallout? | JayMan's Blog

Mark Presco said...

I have a theory that homosexuality is mostly congenital. It is my understanding that in the early stages of development, there is little difference between the sexes. Rudimentary sex organs for both sexes are laid down in every fetus. At a critical time the controlling hormone initiates a hormone cascade and the proper sex organs are developed and the improper ones atrophied.

Now, hormones are very powerful things, you don’t need a lot, just the right amount at the just right time. This often goes wrong and unfortunate children are born with ambiguous genetalia. I believe that this has a profound effect on the development of the male or female brain and even more people are born with ambiguous sexuality.

There has to be male and female brains, each must be attracted to the opposite sex, or we would go extinct.

Empedocles said...

I think this is right up your alley: The Myth of Sexual Orientation: https://darwinianreactionary.wordpress.com/2014/01/17/the-myth-of-sexual-orientation/

Tommy Hass said...

"For the record (since this needs to be said for those who jump to conclusions based on what I said), I have nothing again gays, I actually do have plenty of gay friends."

Your brain would've exploded if you hadn't said this, amirite?

JayMan said...

@Mark Presco said...

"I have a theory that homosexuality is mostly congenital."

Nope. See here.

staffanspersonalityblog said...


Homophobia and xenophobia is no doubt that which protects from not only the pathogen that causes homosexuality but against all sorts of diseases. The WHO map of infectious diseases matches PEW's map of homophobia and the WVS map of racism very well,

http://staffanspersonalityblog.wordpress.com/?s=disgust+sensitivity

This also fits with the big Gallup in 2012 that found gays being most common in Black people, then Asian, Hispanic and last White.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/158066/special-report-adults-identify-lgbt.aspx

Audacious Epigone said...

Empedocles,

Yes, great stuff, thanks. I tried to comment on the post but kept getting an error message. I assume comments are closed.

Suppose someone holds that homosexuality has been selected for the advantage it gives to ones sibling’s offspring in that one will not be producing offspring which could compete with them for resources. (This kin selection model of homosexuality was once common, but I believe it has since been abandoned.) If so then the biological function of homosexual attraction is to not produce children whereas the function of heterosexual attraction is to produce children.

The more functional selection here would be for asexuality, anyway. Eunuchs, however, had to be made--they weren't born that way. Gays put a lot of 'wasted' effort in pursuing their sexual desires with no reproductive payoff. If the 'purpose' were to make them better aunts and uncles, it would be more efficient for them to simply have no sexuality at all.

Great work!