Friday, February 03, 2012

Nativist!

"Nativist" is one of many terms used almost exclusively as a pejorative in contemporary American media disourse, but unlike "anti-Semite", "warmonger", "isolationist", and others of the conversation-chilling ilk, I suspect that while few people would self-describe as being hostile towards Semites, trying to precipitate war, or isolating one's country from the rest of the world, a solid majority of the public is favorably inclined towards definitional nativism. The dictionary definition of nativism:
A policy of favoring native inhabitants as opposed to [favoring] immigrants.
My polemical advice to those labelled as nativists is for them to respond to such "attacks" by merely describing what the term means and and let it stand for itself at that.

14 comments:

Dr. Anonymous said...

But as a nation of immigrants, who are the real "natives" in the USA? The Native Indians or the WASPS from England?

Who are the contemporary natives? The White middle-class?

Anonymous said...

Who are the contemporary natives?

The people who (legally) live here.


The White middle-class?

Where do you get this stuff?

Anonymous said...

as a nation of immigrants


Every nation is a nation of immigrants. The Franks did not spring up out of the ground at the dawn of time and establish France.

Anonymous said...

Somewhere along the line some people decided you can't favor your own family, race or countrymen and had to just let others takeover what you have.

People complain of nepotism. I can see if it is a public entity that it might be bad, but why wouldn't you hire your family at your own company if you want?

"Who are the contemporary natives?

The people who (legally) live here."

I wouldn't even include legal immigrants in that.

Jokah Macpherson said...

"Nativist" is pejorative under the assumption that love and charity are unlimited (rather than scarce) resources, an assumption rapidly splintering under the battering ram of modern realities.

Dr. Anonymous said...

@Anonymous 5:43

The people who legally live there.

Haha so recently immigrated FOB minorities count?

Where do I get this stuff? Books and research. When the majority of Americans think of a "native" they immediately think of white middle-class who is still the "majority of natives" in the USA.

@Anonymous 5:45

Every nation is not composed of natives, especially Africa, since there were the original natives. Also technically once a specific ethnic group has been at a certain location for a designated amount of time, they can be labeled at natives by other immigrants.

Olave d'Estienne said...

The term native isn't really a matter of opinion. A native to a place is someone born in that place.

Steve Sailer maintains he is a citizenist because he believes that government should favor native citizens and naturalized citizens. A nativist favors only the former group, though s/he may advocate an intermediate level of rights for the latter. E.g., a nativist might smile on all economic rights for naturalized citizens, and maybe voting rights, but still want to bar the new citizen from the Presidency.

Hardly anyone on the alt-right still gets hung up on the term "Native American" any more. It's a funny misnomer intended to pay an inaccurate compliment to one of the several races of American natives. I've never heard an alt-rightist telling an Amerindian to leave the country, never. Never heard an alt-rightist questioning Amerindians' right to vote. Etc.

Naturally the whole mishmashed is made more confusing by the shell-game implicit in the definition of American. The way English is structured, "American" "shouldn't be" a subset of "North American", but it is. "American" is the demonym of "United States of America" because yanqui never caught on and "United Statesian" is a bogus phrase I just made up.

So lots of people can say that Mexicans are "American" (i.e. from Meso-America) but white people aren't "American" (i.e. "Native American" i.e. Amerindian). Presto! Semantic confusion just abolished a nation.

Audacious Epigone said...

"American" is the demonym of "United States of America" because yanqui never caught on and "United Statesian" is a bogus phrase I just made up.

Ha, bingo. That's why I use the term "American" to refer to US citizens, for eloquent variation. Writing "those in the US" or "people in the US" is clunky and gets redundant quickly. But the convenient "American" opens up a semantic can of worms.

Noah172 said...

Every nation is a nation of immigrants. The Franks did not spring up out of the ground at the dawn of time and establish France.

I understand what you are getting at, but there is an important distinction here to keep in mind, something Samuel Huntington discusses in Who Are We?:

Settlers are those who found a new society/civilization in a land that was either uninhabited previously, or where a vastly different society/civilization existed but was overwhelmed and displaced by the settlers. The Britons (mostly English) who founded colonies in North America were settlers, not immigrants. Immigrants are those who enter an already existing society.

This "nation of immigrants" talk is bunk. America is a settler nation founded by Protestants (particularly of the Calvinist variety) of British (again, mostly English) ethnicity. Everybody who came after that has either gotten with that program (e.g. Dutch, German, and Scandinavian immigrants, whose descendants are now indistinguishable from those of founder stock in just about every way conceivable) or resisted (most of the non-white and/or non-Christian immigrants of the last half-century).

Audacious Epigone said...

In addition to being bunk, the phrase "nation of immigrants" is a recent invention in our national history, not making it's first recorded appearance until the early 20th century.

Anonymous said...

Haha so recently immigrated FOB minorities count


Ha ha. Nothing beats laughing at your own stupid jokes.

What's on FOB?

If you are an American living in America you are by definition a native.


Where do I get this stuff? Books and research.


Then you should have zero problem in citing some of your "books and research". Hop to it, sparky.


When the majority of Americans think of a "native" they immediately think of white middle-class who is still the "majority of natives" in the USA.


Given that the majority of natives are white middle-class people, I can't think of any reason to object to the majority of Americans thinking of a "native" as being white middle-class people.

Next you'll be upset that the majority of people think that the natives of China are Chinese.

Anonymous said...

Every nation is not composed of natives, especially Africa,



Africa is not a nation, you pathetic clown. Please try to learn the meanings of words.

Anonymous said...

Settlers are those who found a new society/civilization in a land that was either uninhabited previously, or where a vastly different society/civilization existed but was overwhelmed and displaced by the settlers. The Britons (mostly English) who founded colonies in North America were settlers, not immigrants. Immigrants are those who enter an already existing society.



Using your definition, the only difference between settlers and immigrants is their quantity. The Angles and Saxons were "settlers" in Britain and not "immigrants" because of their numbers.

If those "non-white and/or non-Christian immigrants of the last half-century" arrive in sufficient numbers, they too will constitute settlers.

Anonymous said...

American blacks are natives, just as much as American whites are.

That fact does not contradict the other fact that this is (or was until recently) a predominantly white country.

It also does not contradict the fact that the natives of this country, of whatever color, have the right and the responsibility to adapt a policy of favoring themselves over non-natives. And indeed American blacks are as hostile to non-natives as any American white nativist.