Tuesday, January 18, 2011

Average IQ by occupation (estimated from median income)

++Addition++After reading multiple comments critiquing the post for the same thing, it's clear that I did a poor job of explaining what the table purports to show. It's not supposed to be an exact measure of IQ by profession by any means, as it is based entirely on average annual income figures. In other words, it's an income table with the values converted to IQ scores (and thus, as silly girl points out, it's a bit of a mislabeling on my part, although that is the point--to get an instinctive feel for how related IQ and income are at the career level).

As Saint Louis notes, physicists and astronomers are surely understated, while physicians and surgeons are overstated. Some of that, again, is a result of the prerequisite training required to enter those medical fields, and some is a result of the full workload and working conditions doctors and surgeons face relative to that of astronomers or chemical engineers.

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Career Cast recently published a list ranking 200 major occupations from best to worst, as measured by five criteria. One of those is income, displayed as the median earnings in a field plus a small premium based on income growth potential.

While income is positively correlated with IQ, it's obviously not perfectly so. Nonetheless, the following table estimates average IQ scores by occupation solely on the basis of the Career Cast mid-level income figures. The median salary (of a paralegal assistant) is taken to correspond to an IQ of 100. One standard deviation is assumed to be 15 IQ points:

Occupation
IQ
1. Surgeon
234.1
2. Physician
161.1
3. Corporate executive
148.0
4. Psychiatrist
147.7
5. Dentist
140.0
6. Orthodontist
131.2
7. Podiatrist
129.1
8. Judge
127.9
9. Attorney
127.8
10. Petroleum engineer
126.1
11. Pharmacist
126.1
12. Physicist
124.9
13. Commercial airline pilot
124.9
14. Astronomer
124.5
15. Financial planner
122.8
16. Nuclear engineer
121.1
17. Optometrist
120.7
18. Aerospace engineer
120.2
19. Mathematician
119.8
20. Public relations executive
118.1
21. Economist
116.9
22. Actuary
116.9
23. Software engineer
116.9
24. Meteorologist
116.0
25. School principal
116.0
26. Physician assistant
115.6
27. Electrical engineer
115.2
28. Web developer
115.2
29. Construction foreman
114.8
30. Geologist
114.4
31. Veterinarian
114.4
32. Computer systems analyst
112.7
33. Mechanical engineer
112.6
34. Civil engineer
112.2
35. Industrial engineer
111.8
36. Biologist
111.4
37. Physical therapist
111.4
38. Statistician
111.0
39. Architect
111.0
40. Computer programmer
110.1
41. Occupational therapist
109.7
42. Sociologist
109.7
43. Chiropractor
108.9
44. Chemist
108.9
45. Stockbroker
108.6
46. Dental hygienist
108.4
47. Psychologist
108.0
48. Speech pathologist
107.6
49. Registered nurse
107.2
50. Historian
106.8
51. Technical writer
106.8
52. Occupational safety/health inspector
106.7
53. Audiologist
106.7
54. Market research analyst
106.4
55. Advertising account executive
106.3
56. Fashion designer
106.0
57. Philosopher
105.9
58. Accountant
105.5
59. Farmer
105.1
60. Industrial designer
104.7
61. Insurance underwriter
104.7
62. Telephone installer and repairer
104.6
63. Zoologist
104.2
64. Communications equipment mechanic
103.8
65. Loan officer
103.4
66. Purchasing agent
103.4
67. Engineering technician
103.4
68. Medical technologist
103.4
69. Author
103.0
70. Undertaker
103.0
71. Librarian
103.0
72. Surveyor
103.0
73. Railroad conductor
103.0
74. Conservationist
102.9
75. Anthropologist
102.5
76. Vocational counselor
102.5
77. Highway patrol officer
102.5
78. Aircraft mechanic
102.5
79. Respiratory therapist
102.5
80. Dietitian
102.1
81. Mail carrier
102.1
82. Motion picture editor
101.8
83. Sales representative
101.8
84. Publication editor
101.7
85. Archeologist
101.7
86. Physiologist
101.7
87. Stationary engineer
101.7
88. Teacher
101.7
89. Electrical equipment repairer
101.7
90. Newscaster
101.4
91. Tax examiner
100.9
92. Buyer
100.9
93. Police officer
100.9
94. Actor
100.8
95. Stenographer
100.5
96. Museum curator
100.5
97. Electrician
100.0
98. Bricklayer
100.0
99. Parole officer
100.0
100. Paralegal assistant
100.0
101. Tool-and-die maker
100.0
102. Insurance agent
99.7
103. Personnel recruiter
99.6
104. Hotel manager
99.6
105. Plumber
99.6
106. Architectural drafter
99.6
107. Firefighter
99.2
108. Set designer
99.2
109. Artist (fine art)
98.8
110. Industrial machine repairer
98.7
111. Advertising salesperson
98.4
112. Clergy
98.4
113. Sheet metal worker
97.5
114. Heating and refrigeration mechanic
97.5
115. Real estate agent
97.1
116. Photojournalist
97.1
117. Flight attendant
97.1
118. Construction machinery operator
97.1
119. Social worker
97.1
120. Sewage plant operator
97.1
121. Licensed practical nurse
97.0
122. Stevedore
96.6
123. Carpenter
96.6
124. Corrections officer
96.6
125. Choreographer
96.3
126. Automobile body repairer
96.2
127. Plasterer
96.2
128. Office machine repairer
96.2
129. Machinist
96.2
130. Truck driver
96.2
131. Carpet and tile installer
95.8
132. Drywall applicator and finisher
95.8
133. Computer service technician
95.8
134. Nuclear decontamination technician
95.8
135. Glazier
95.4
136. Sailor
95.4
137. Medical laboratory technician
95.4
138. Automobile mechanic
95.0
139. Dental laboratory technician
95.0
140. Welder
94.9
141. Newspaper reporter
94.6
142. Jeweler
94.5
143. Meter reader
94.5
144. Roofer
94.5
145. Bus driver
94.5
146. Appliance repairer
94.5
147. Painter
94.5
148. Agricultural scientist
94.5
149. Ironworker
94.5
150. Machine tool operator
94.5
151. Broadcast technician
94.2
152. Piano tuner
94.1
153. Musical instrument repairer
94.1
154. Compositor/typesetter
94.1
155. Optician
94.1
156. Bookkeeper
94.1
157. Typist
94.1
158. Electrical technician
94.0
159. Garbage collector
93.7
160. Roustabout
93.7
161. Dairy farmer
93.7
162. Lumberjack
93.7
163. Bookbinder
93.3
164. Telephone operator
93.3
165. Medical records technician
93.3
166. Travel agent
93.3
167. Drill-press operator
93.3
168. Photographer
92.9
169. Emergency medical technician
92.8
170. Vending machine repairer
92.8
171. Furniture upholsterer
92.8
172. Forklift operator
92.8
173. Medical secretary
92.8
174. Construction worker
92.4
175. Butcher
92.4
176. Disc jockey
92.1
177. Precision assembler
92.0
178. Shipping and receiving clerk
92.0
179. Automobile assembler
91.6
180. Dressmaker
91.6
181. Photographic process worker
91.2
182. Receptionist
90.7
183. Barber
90.3
184. Guard
90.3
185. Nurse's aid
90.3
186. Bank teller
90.3
187. Cosmetologist
89.9
188. Teacher's aide
89.9
189. Shoe maker and repairer
89.9
190. Recreation worker
89.5
191. Janitor
89.5
192. Chauffeur
89.5
193. Taxi driver
89.0
194. Retail salesman
88.6
195. Child care worker
88.2
196. Maid
88.2
197. Bartender
87.8
198. Waiter
87.8
199. Cashier
87.7
200. Dishwasher
87.7

With the exception of an astronomical score for surgeons and one in the stratosphere for physicians, it's pretty predictable. And when I say that, I mean the scores are about what you'd predict to see if someone showed you a list of IQ by occupation without informing you of how the scores were determined. Pay is generally commensurate with an occupation's cognitive demands, which is why the list has a great deal of face validity.

The apparent misrepresentations are the ones that irritate me the most, perhaps exposing me for an IQ meritocrat (or maybe its a visceral disdain for high IQ vampires who use their intelligence to parasitically suck the blood of their productive neighbors). I'm skeptical that nuclear engineers are, on average, 'less intelligent' than attorneys or that software engineers tend to have lower IQs than physicians.

Some of this is a result of credentialism, with medical school requirements being more difficult to fulfill than various certification requirements for software developers, even though being a successful software developer requires a higher IQ than being a doctor does. Some of it the result of the personal interaction premium, where, relative to the objective value people create, those who do so largely through direct communication with other people enjoy greater remuneration for their efforts (this trend is generally beneficial for women at the expense of men).

Of course, some of this 'dissonance' is due to crucial factors other than intelligence. Corporate executives need high executive function and strong leadership capabilities, while aerospace engineers, despite presumably having higher average IQs, do not have nearly as demanding non-IQ requirements for success.

72 comments:

Jokah Macpherson said...

I don't see "Epigone" on the list anywhere but I guess that's what your day job is for.

This sounds kind of similar to some of the stuff Half Sigma has written, and I believe that it is mostly true, but money is only one small piece of the puzzle. A higher IQ person who doesn't earn his or her potential still hopefully is able to do something they like and lead an interesting life. This topic is on my mind since a friend of mine expressed concern he's in a dead end clerical job at age 29.

Off topic, but my captcha for this comment was "phapre," which is funny if you say it out loud.

Anonymous said...

Speaking as a doctor, I think the estimates of physician's (161) and surgeon's IQ's(234) are terribly flawed. In my experience most doctors probably fall in the range of 115 to 140. 115 is probably adequate for the job, and given that minimum, their success is correlated with work ethic and drive, not IQ. Additionally, the list underestimates numerous occupations. For example, mathematician: 119. ?! I would think 140 or so, based on the graduate school math types I've been acquainted with. I believe many of the engineering professions are also underestimated, with 115 probably the minimum necessary IQ in engineering, the average should be higher. And many of the blue collar jobs listed at 100 and below require significant analytical and quantitative aptitude, probably at least 110 IQ. Corporate executive: 147? Most CEO types are persuasive communicators and leaders with IQ's around 115-125 give or take. An IQ above 140 is probably a barrier to success in most fields.
Finally, technical writer, 106? Woah. Obviously income does not correlate perfectly with IQ. The outliers do stick out.

Saint Louis said...

Overrated by this measurment:

Surgeon (234.1): obviously, since by definition the number of people in the world with an IQ 10 standard deviations above the mean is between zero and one

Physician (161.1): again, obvious; there are certainly some at that level, but it's not the median

Corporate exec (148.0): probably more like 125-130 with great people skills

Financial planner (122.8): similar to corporate execs, but minus about 10-12 IQ points


Underrated:

Judge (127.9): Either judges are underrated or attorneys are overrated. The average judge is quite a bit smarter than the average attorney (certainly more then 0.1 IQ points). I'd drop about 3 points off from attorneys and add about 3 to judges. Then again, if this is including all sorts of local magistrates, etc., then maybe it is accurate.

Physicist (124.9): I would think this is about the minimum to enter the field, not the median. Then again, there could be a lot of them out there with lower verbal IQs dragging down their scores.

Astonomer (124.5), Nuclear Engineer (121.1), Aerospace Engineer (120.2): see Physicist

What might be going on with the three previous ones is that many of them are likely government workers. They probably enjoy amazing benefits and pension packages. If benefits were included in the calculation, you'd probably see higher numbers for them.

Philosopher (105.9): this is probably about 30 points too low; this is a job our society clearly doesn't value


One that caught my attention:

Clergy (98.4): this must include evangelical ministers, mega-church pastors, and black preachers; if you only measured Catholic priests and those from the mainline protestant groups, I bet it would be more like 110; Catholic and Episcopal bishops are probably more like 125

Anonymous said...

If you remove medical and business oriented professions and readjust accordingly the results would probably be closer to what they really are.

Saint Louis said...

Regarding what I wrote about clergy: the median IQs I posited are what I suspect they actually are, not what their median salaries would suggest.

Indeed, I wouldn't be surprised to see a slight inverse relationship between remuneration and IQ among clergy. After all, a lot very bright Catholic priests take vows of poverty. Meanwhile, a lot of intellectually middling (but with high charisma) evangelicals and mega-church pastors probably rake in the dough.

silly girl said...

dishwasher 87? that seems high

As for clergy, they have pretty high verbal GRE scores on average, so they can't be too stupid. Now, of course that only applies to those denominations that require GRE scores for applicants to the M.Div. programs, and those GRE numbers also include students who don't have M.Div as their degree objective. Do Rabbis have to take the GRE to go to seminary?

This ranking method is interesting a la IQ and the Wealth of Nations and yeah, there are other factors in play, which is, why it really is somewhat mislabeled. It is more like an IQ/ambition vs. income index. If IQ and drive were somehow combined into a single score, then it would make more sense.

pconroy said...

Computer Programmer is way too low - this should be in the 120-160 range, with a median IQ of about 130.

I agree with Anonymous's (#2) estimates for physician, 114-140, as I'm married to one and know many socially, and none are intellectuals, but all hard working, with a median IQ of about 120.

Andrew Oh-Willeke said...

Income is frequenty a poor proxy for IQ. Wages are determined for economic reasons only some of which are related to ability. Clergy and ag scientists are example.

New York City is awash with high IQ taxi drivers (many with PhDs) who do to various reasons can't practice their chosen fields, and few of the best performers on Broadway have escaped stints as waiters.

There is some relationship between the two, but this is really nothing more than an income chart with misleading units.

Florida resident said...

Charles Murray on Turkheimer's paper about heritability of IQ

http://blog.american.com/?p=25126

Steve Sailer said...

Thanks.

How well do these career labels match up to the ones used in the GSS? If they match well enough, then you could correlate pay to scores on the GSS vocabulary test. It would be fun to look at outliers, such as "author."

Audacious Epigone said...

Steve,

I'm going to give it a shot this weekend. There are not nearly 200 job categories with sample sizes large enough for a comparison in the GSS, though--we're probably looking at 30 or so.

dearieme said...

"Surgeon (234.1)": good God, someone's dug up Isaac Newton and taught him to be a sawbones.

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Anonymous said...

This is a plainly ridiculous post.

radar said...

So I suppose that professional athletes routinely have 300+ IQ? Hehe...

Interesting list, though.

Anthony said...

It would be interesting to recalculate assuming a log-normal distribution of income. I suspect that medical folks will still be over-represented, but not nearly so badly. A while back I looked at U.S. income statistics, and it appeared that the standard deviation for a log-normal distribution was about 0.375.

Stopped Clock said...

Door-to-door salesman: 72.9

I was almost sucked into working a job like that, but I did some research on the Internet first and saved myself the trouble (they do business with different names, and actually charge you money to sign up, knowing that 90% of people are gonna quit when they find out what it is).

Audacious Epigone said...

Anthony,

I haven't played around much with the LONGNORMDIST function in excel, but that would reduce the absurdly high values for things like surgeon (and professional athlete, too, if that was a broad job category actually reported on!)

Lover of Wisdom said...

AE:

Could you post a second chart next to this one with the actual IQs of those professions? I think it could help the readers see the difference between the actual IQ of the profession and what society value's in terms of IQ.

Malcolm Y said...

Never knew basketball players were geniuses.

Mike Courtman said...

So now we know, doctors and dentists are overpaid relative to their intelligence.

I guess in their defence, medical workers would say they are paid more than other workers because they work harder and tend to be under higher stress levels than most educated workers.

Relative to intelligence, journalism would have to be one of the worst paying jobs.

Writing quickly and accurately to tight deadlines about topics which you may not know much about requires a far amount of intelligence and hard work, yet wages are often worse than in the semi-skilled trades.

Anonymous said...

Oh my! Now surgeons aren't only gods, but they have a higher IQ than God himself???? You've GOT to be kidding me. Physicians, Surgeons, and Psychiatrists are all physicians. And IQ varies within the group, but from personal and professional experience with all types of physicians, the average is much lower. Personality determines specialty more than anything...

Anonymous said...

What BS, especially for the physicians and surgeons. This may represent what they think about themselves, but it surely can have no basis in fact. My hunch is, average physician 125, average surgeon, perhaps 130. They are not the geniuses everyone thinks they are.

Anonymous said...

I've been a computer programmer for 15 years now. I think I've worked with programmers with IQs easily over 130 as well as those with IQs easily under 100. How do I explain this wide range? I honestly think that the IQs of those that hire programmers seem to always be lower than the programmers they hire. My conclusion is that there are a lot of managers dumber than the people they hire. The "EQ", general aggressiveness, and a propensity for bullshit seem to be a requirement for climbing the ladder, at least in I.T. I'm sure this sounds like a broken record, but it's true. What's my point? Well, I'd like to submit to the readers that the computer engineer job title might hold the largest range of IQ scores.

Unknown said...

Where did you get this information from? It is total BS. The highest IQ of any living person today is of Marilyn vos Savant, who has an IQ of 228. Also, I highly doubt the the average waiter or dishwasher has an IQ just slightly above legally retarded.

Anonymous said...

This doesn't even pass the laugh test. There are far too many career paths that result in low earnings and salaries. There are also plenty of smart people with low IQs, as it isn't a measure of how bright someone is, but their ability to reason and problem solving. What you are left with is something that is more correlated to education level, than IQ.

In my particular field and aiming to hire people with above average problem solving skills, and slightly below median income levels, IQ is an important measure. It trumps education levels and knowledge. We find great success in hiring people as a result of pre-employment testing and above average IQ scores. Life chances brought them to our door, and perhaps they didn't have a secondary education or pursued a career path without much opportunity. By the measure here, we would need to pay prospective employees nearly twice the salaries we offer and it's long been dismissed that there is any meaningful correlation between IQ and income.

Ruth said...

An actual quantifiable study was done on IQ level of M.Ds. The IQs and demographics were available for an eastern city. All school children had to take IQ tests. Many of those children ended up as M.Ds. The Intelligence Quotients averaged out about 105. Decades later, a few years ago, another study was accomplished. The researcher discovered that many doctors had family members that had already been through the process and had drilled the aspiring medical students and walked them through everything before they were tested or observed. They squeaked by. That seems to explain all the dumb doctors so many of us have run into.

Ruth said...

Decades ago the IQs of an eastern city's students were collected, the IQs of students that went on to be doctors averaged out to 105. Recently research was carried out and it was discovered that many medical students had relatives that were already doctors and had been drilled and walked through everything before being tested or observed, thereby squeaking by and are now "practicing" on the rest of us.

Deperately Searching said...

Considering that the highest IQ ever recorded is a 212 and the most intelligent man in America scored a 200 - both of which are >= 50 points higher than Einstein, I'm going to confidently state that this is wrong. Also, someone with an IQ of 160 is statistically 1 in a million, which means they have 7000 peers on the planet - and 30,000 students graduate from medical school in America each year - so yeah, this is more than a little off.

Anonymous said...

There is no profession that would be accurately represented by a median IQ of 234. Few in the history of mankind could legitimately have an estimated IQ of 200, such as Goethe, Newton, da Vinci, or Einstein. I've known plenty of neurosurgeons (I'm a neuropsychologist myself), and none of them are even remotely close to the intellect of someone like Goethe.

Anonymous said...

#201. article author at 0.00.

what a load of cr@p.

Anonymous said...

I gave IQ tests for a year about 25 tests a day.

All MD's I tested average is 124 regardless of specialty.

Highest IQ occupation? Military General and Admirals at 135.

Guaranteed.

Anonymous said...

An actuary has an average IQ of 116.9? Really? I used to work as an actuary and I doubt anybody who has an IQ that is lower than this could even pass the exams to become an actuary in the first place.

Anonymous said...

computer programmers/engineers are underestimated. most people who advance in that branche usually stop being programmers later on, moving up the ladder. second thing is that most people work for western countries while living in poorer countries (outsourcing workforce and freelance programmers) and they generally have very high salaries for conditions in countries where they live.

Anonymous said...

I don't know what septic tank they got this load from but according to this BS every doctor is a genius. Frankly, I've met to many doctors that can't even understand simple Physics. Yet alone, begin to understand the human condition. Income is vastly more dependent on oportunity than I.Q.

Anonymous said...

I think you've labeled a column IQ that isn't IQ. It's like a village idiot wrote this for other village idiots.

Anonymous said...

HAHAHAHAAHAH

I can't believe anybody buys into this crap. Someone literally just made these numbers up.

When it comes to standardized testing, people who pursue general surgery residencies do approximately equal to those who pursue general medicine residencies (e.g . surgeon vs physician). This is a fact per the National Board of Medical Examiners and the American Association of Medical Colleges. Then, to put them at an off-the-charts IQ range just makes this so far beyond laughable it's shocking that some people are taking this seriously. o_0

braindamagedblogger said...

Your definition of IQ means the Jersey Shore cast is a bunch of secret geniuses who could be rethinking all of science.

You should think about committing suicide for being such a village idiot....

Orthopod said...

Speaking as an Orthopedic Surgeon, I was greatly surprised that on your list I have a higher IQ than the best chest player currently alive and higher than Bill Gates and Steve Jobs. If my welath was proportionate to this difference of IQ between Bill Gates and I, I wouldn't need to be a surgeon anymore.

A little bit overrated IMO, where did you get these average numbers?

Anonymous said...

These are complete fallacy. I've seen legitimate IQ compilations, and physicians and surgeons typically top the list, but we're talking 90% of t hem being between 120-140. And, there is no huge difference between a physician and a surgeon. An average internal medicine candidate scores equivalently on all examinations to an average general surgeon candidate. And, I hate to tell you all, but surgery does involve thinking, but it's less intellectually challenging than a large host of occupations.

Anonymous said...

This is a joke for sure. Albert Einstein's IQ was estimated at 160. My mother's side of the family all had genius IQs and one uncle's was 176 (they had idiot savant characteristics in some cases), and I have a genius IQ, too, and I have to tell you I have never run into a surgeon or a CEO of that caliber. This is just BS.

I haven't run into too many doctors that would even say qualify as genius level, most have college-level IQs and even less. Nothing is wrong with that, but this is absolute baloney. This is just spreading a lot of disinfo. Obviously this person doesn't qualify high on the scale either.

Anonymous said...

it's completly wrong.
WRONG. JOKE.

Anonymous said...

A sardonic comment perhaps, but you'd think that all the apparent actuaries, computer programmers and doctors who commented on this article would be able to understand that it does NOT represent actual IQ scores, but a representation of what intelligence would look like if earnings/effort etc. were converted to intelligence points? The point is made more than once, just read and think instead of getting angry...Anger and the desire to be right hinder rational thinking...

Audacious Epigone said...

Anon 7:49am,

Yes, it's bemusing (but also frustrating) to see that charge repeated over and over again, as though I'm arguing that this legitimately and rigorously measures IQ, when, if there is a point--and it's more an FYI/thought-provoking post than anything else--it's that income is determined by a lot more than just IQ.

Anonymous said...

A waiter or bartender at 87-88 can jump to 120 after he or she finishes school. Or do the smart waiters skew the average as to where if you take them out the avg is considerably less?

Anonymous said...

160 or so (if im not mistaken) is approaching genius status. Physicians are around 130 which is very high. When you hear people talk they exaggerate numbers and don't understand what a true IQ is. Bobby Fischer was like 200 or 212 or something. Surgeons are smart...they aren't that smart. Many of these IQ's are due to dedicated learning. Mankind as a whole doesn't wake up one morning with an IQ of 150. It doesn't work like that. BTW, I know some people with legitimate high IQ's and they are dumber than a box of rocks. IQ's are only relavent....if they are relavent. What test decides how smart someone is? A doctor with an IQ of 135 who claims carbohydrates are the cause for obesity is obviously not intelligent enough to help a pt. lose body fat. But his IQ is 135...so what?

Anonymous said...

This is about as scientific as estimating IQ by starsign.

Anonymous said...

Under the assumption of the normal distribution of mean 100 and S.D. 15 there are less than 10 people in the world with an IQ > 190 (roughly speaking).

Hmmm, I think we have a bit of a problem with a lack of surgeons!!!
LOL!

Actually one would expect physicists and pure mathematicians to top the list.

Anonymous said...

Anyone who calculates this rubbish clearly does not have a high iq

Anonymous said...

Surgeons are probably high on the IQ chart, but they must not have IQs around 234.

An IQ of 234 means a higher IQ than the highest one found in typical groups formed by quintillions of people.

Supposing that there are enough people in this galaxy among others for one person to have an IQ of 234, the likelihood of that person being on Earth and not somewhere else is very tiny indeed.

Anonymous said...

High intelligence scarcity table:

If the standard deviation is 15:

An IQ of 131 is top-two-percent.
An IQ of 146 is one-in-a-thousand.
An IQ of 156 is one-in-10,000.
An IQ of 171 is one-in-a-million.
An IQ of 190 is one-in-a-billion.

If the standard deviation is 16:

An IQ of 133 is top-two-percent.
An IQ of 149 is one-in-a-thousand.
An IQ of 160 is one-in-10,000.
An IQ of 176 is one-in-a-million.
An IQ of 196 is one-in-a-billion.

If you use the second list and say that Sir Isaac Newton was one-in-a-billion plus 4 extra points, he tops all charts at 200, much like Carl Friedrich Gauss.

Anonymous said...

Last time IQ was tested in college professors they scored an average of 116, doctors 121.

Internal polls of Mensa indicate that members of Mensa have a median income of 10% higher than the general population.

I suspect that "IQ" plays a smaller role in income than the average person assumes.

While I wish this chart was accurate even for my 'mere' 140-150 range, in my experience I know to many Mensans that work at Home Depot to believe it. ---good day

Anonymous said...

Intelligence is multifaceted, often unbalanced, and it is the specific cognitive talent that plays a role in professional success.

My IQ consistently scores between 130 and 135 on standardized intelligence tests. However, while my GRE verbal and analytical scores are both somewhere above the 90th percentile, my math scores fall just a little better than average at around the 52nd percentile. Suffice it to say, quantitative reasoning has always been my Achilles heel.

You can derive from this that I might exceed in a variety of professions within, say, the medical field (my field) but I would make a lousy engineer or mathematician despite what the result of an IQ test might indicate to some. It is also my experience that I have a verbal reasoning ability that seems to exceed what might be expected from my official IQ number (which is derived from a non-verbal reasoning heavy test).

Anonymous said...

Does anyone understand why some very brilliant people cannot master exam taking skills?

Anonymous said...

No offense but this is the biggest joke list i have seen in a long time. A person with high IQ necesarily has to earn high income? what about oppurtunities and the money to study and get that job?

Do you know in a recent study footballers have been affirmed of having one of the highest IQs of all professions.
frank lampard- 155(einstein had 160). lionel messi-185, ashley cole-150+, andres iniesta 180+

honestly i can't belive the amount of naivety in this article and amount of disregard for the "poorer" section of the society.
As for 234 as average? Leonardo Da Vinci had an IQ of 220 which is considered the highest ever so a surgeon having average 234 is nothing but a big joke and lie.

most surgeons wouldnt be above 120-125. you dont need to be exceptionally brilliant to be a surgeon.

Anonymous said...

pretty good table. Must consider computer programmers should come in at about 85 points in light of how their equipment works. With you on aircraft mechanics hitting @78 th place, lotsa stupid ones out there. Oh, relax... their not working on YOUR noble, dignified, efficient, economical, customer satisfaction oriented airline. Yes they are, and contracting in third -party maintenance companies where all the work gets done and where never is heard commitment from employee or management.
It's a beautiful world! Happy flying everybody!

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Anonymous said...

There are other factors influencing income besides intelligence, to the point of making something like this worth little more than a party trick. People in the military or government service, for example, tend to be paid less than their private sector counterparts for well educated positions but better for more menial positions. My father had a very high IQ but never made a lot of money as a career Army officer.

In medicine, specialists make significantly more than primary care physicians even though they aren't significantly more intelligent. I talked once with a surgeon who was a chief of surgery at a hospital. He said his IQ was 115 and he made $600K a year.

Whites earn more than blacks, men earn more than women, tall men earn more than short men. People get paid more to work in dangerous or unpleasant conditions.

Based on the underlying premise here movie stars and professional athletes have much higher IQs than astronauts and brain surgeons.

Anonymous said...

The people that wrote this article have a B.S. degree, bullshit.

Anonymous said...

Whoever wrote this list needs to be beaten over the head with a tack hammer because he/she is a retard!

Anonymous said...

To say that the average surgeon's IQ is 234 is completely ridiculous when 140+ is considered genius and the only people in the world to have a 230+ are the 3 highest IQ's ever recorded. You have obviously done little to no research since it took me about a whole of 10 seconds to find this out.

vanizorc said...

Equating income with IQ is ridiculous beyond belief. I certainly had a good laugh. Seriously, I expected better out of Audacious Epigone than a desperate attempt to garner attention.

I do hope that this post was intended as a joke. It is plainly common sense that income cannot be used to predict IQ. (Not that I need to point out the obvious, but if that were the case, movie stars, actors, and big-name athletes would all have IQs in the 200+ range.)

Seriously, Epigone, WTF is up with this post?!

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Tekoda Kemper said...

This post is so far off base, it's ridiculous. First off, this post does not even begin to explain what and IQ is a measurement of (I know you already "know the answer and are thinking, "Intelligence, duh! Stupid." But there's more to it.).

An IQ test is a STANDARDIZED test. What this means is that an IQ doesn't measure one's intelligence, per say. Rather it measures how one performs intellectually compared to one's peers. One thing, and maybe the only thing, this post got right was the standard deviation (SD), which is 15 points (usually, though it depends on the test you are taking). Anyone that scores 2 SDs (meaning an IQ score of 130, at least with regard to the WAIS-IV IQ test) above the mean (IQ = 100) is considered slightly gifted, or a genius (or at least what MENSA will accept and acknowledge as genius).

There are three main IQ tests out there: the Stanford-Binet (mean IQ = 100, SD = 16), the WAIS-IV (mean IQ = 100, SD = 15), and the one offered by MENSA (not sure what the mean is, I would guess 100, and I have no idea what the SD is). To be clear MENSA will accept an IQ of 132 (measured by the Stanford-Binet) or an IQ of 130 (as measured by the WAIS-IV) as genius. Again, I'm not sure what score they require on their tests to qualify as a member.

Here's the other key point to be made when speaking of IQ tests and measurements: the actual test has no units. It DOES NOT ACTUALLY MEASURE ANYTHING. HENCE, the reason the tests are standardized. What the test does measure is, as said before, your intellectual performance compared that of your peers (i.e. men and women of the same age as you). This tells you how you compare the rest of the population.

The reason that a test score that is 2 or more SDs from the mean is accepted as genius is because this means that the individual out performed 98% of the population. In other words, only 2% of their peers could outperform them intellectually. Meaning that if you are a genius, there is a 98% chance you are the smartest person in whatever room you occupy. Conversely, there is only a 2% that any random Joe Shmo will be smarter than someone with an IQ of 130. How's this relate to the post you ask? Good question, I'm glad you asked! ;)

Physicists, Software Engineers, Chemists, Biologists, Philosophers, Doctors, Designers, Inventors, and so on, are certainly very intelligent people. But just because they are intelligent does not mean that they are a true intellectual genius (i.e. that they have an IQ of 130 or greater). Even if they do happen do be a genius, or expert, in their respective field. Only 2%, read that again, yes 2%, of the ENTIRE POPULATION, of the world, has an IQ of 130 or greater. With 7 billion people on this planet, that leaves only 140 million (2% of 7 billion) people on the planet that have an IQ of 130 or higher.

With all the occupations listed on here with an IQ of 130 or higher, I'd say that the total number (I'm talking world wide here) of people that occupy those occupations (does that sound as weird to you as it does to me?) is over 140 million. Based on just that you can throw this silly chart out.

There's a lot more to this sorely flawed an fallacious article than I have pointed out, but I think this horse has been beaten to death more than enough times already. Though I did enjoy the post for the laughs. I know Epigone said this post was more about correlating IQ with occupational income, but I felt the need to point out some of the parameters surrounding IQ scores and measurements. Perhaps a follow up edit or post correcting and elaborating (more) on this chart would be helpful to readers.

Jack Summers said...

That anonymous poster who insulted the blogger's intelligence is a goddamn idiot. What's funnier is how he tries to add credulity to what he says by noting his "genius IQ" and his family's long line of genius. So drenched in IQ--idiotic qualification!
-MIW

Anonymous said...

I knew this article was full of nonsense as soon as I saw 231 as the average iq of a surgeon. First off, "surgeon" is a general term and surgeons have various pay ranges based on their area of specialization that can differ by hundreds of thousands of dollars. Second, 231 IQ?! That is OFF THE CHARTS, we'd be lucky to have one person alive who has an IQ that high. Just goes to show you that any idiot can setup a website and write any ol' BS. The person who wrote this obviously has no idea about IQ ranges...or surgeons for that matter.
Stay in school, or you'll end up like the foolish author of this article.

Anonymous said...

Computer programmers at 110? LOL. First of all, seeing it is below Web Developer at 115 should be a huge signal that something is wrong with this estimate.

I guess it depends on how you define a programmer (or any of these occupations), but given the current dearth of talent combined with the high pay of these jobs, I can't imagine that 110 is correct.

I'd guess 130 for computer programmer.

I'd also push up statistician to 130.

There's a reason why these high-in-demand jobs pay high wages ($100,000+), yet there doesn't seem to be the supply of skilled workers in these areas. The vast majority of the population simply lacks the talent.

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Anonymous said...

Actuary

This is clearly absurd, but simultaneously brilliant.

A reducto ad absurdum: "Let's assume income is perfectly commensurate with intelligence, whoops, bad assumption."

What would be more amusing? "Let's assume income is perfectly commensurate with hard work..."

Yes yes the people that clean our toilets just don't work hard enough.

Actuary would be much further up the list if they only counted credentialed actuaries and not data minions in actuarial roles. It's similar to including the average resident income in Physician category.

Anonymous said...

Marilyn Vos Savant is generally thought to have one of the highest IQs on record with 228. Your claim of an average IQ of 234.1 for the surgical profession is ridiculous lol

incognito said...

I gave IQ tests for one year in the Navy. when a group of MD's would rotate through the Psychiatry dept. they all got an IQ test just to see what a patient would experience. the average of all was 124 on the Stanford-Binet. They were interns, and none scored over 130. Nuclear techs were responsible for the reactors on ships, they were normally 115. As for high income equals high IQ...yes there is a relationship in the sense that MOST high earners do not have an IQ in the double digits. Looking over this list I notice that in the upper range, it takes 120-135 to accomplish most professional educations, no more and no less. I can't comment on the other IQ ranges. Thanks, Lawrence

Anonymous said...

I've always read that teachers are above average IQ around the 120's. It makes sense. How can a teacher be about 101 (average) as this says. This is ridiculous. Also, there is no way that cashiers are around 87. 87 is a low IQ close to retarded. Cashiers not only have to be good at math, but have to learn complicated register systems, store policies, be problem solvers, and have the intelligence to know how to deal with all types of customers. A store is not going to risk losing money or customers by placing an almost retarded cashier.
This entire list is way off.