Sunday, August 08, 2010

Why are Asian women so flat, among other things?

++Addition++In the comments, n/a writes the following:

Many of the black and white search suggestions make more sense if you realize they are primarily giving insight into the minds of blacks (not a random sample of internet users). Black people think about blacks (and think about whites as "white") much more than white people do -- on top of which I suspect lower IQ people are more likely to type search queries in the form of questions.

It's not white men typing "why are white men intimidated by black women". The only people who think white men are intimidated by (or attracted to) black women are black women. It's a classic black female rationalization for why they don't get approached by white men.

Likewise it's black women who think white women are jealous of them, wonder why black men are "on the down low", and believe white women are attracted to black men (because the white women who catch their attention are disproportionately those with black men), etc.

It's probably Asian women who think white women are jealous of Asian women.
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Agnostic had a great post a couple of months back on Google search suggestions filling out what has been entered up to that point. He looked at variations of "why are guys/girls ..." Rather than rehash it here, give it a read if you haven't yet done so.

I'm shamelessly stealing his idea with the added elements of race and ethnicity thrown in. As those familiar with Google know, the returns are in order of interest, (presumably) based on aggregate totals of searches with what has been entered up to that point included. The following suggested phrases are consequently ordered in this way.

"Why are white men" attracted to black women, so ugly, serial killers, dating black women, not attracted to black women, attracted to Asian women, intimidated by black men, so racist, intimidated by black women.

Interracial marriage and cohabitation rates don't lend credence to the idea that white men tend to be attracted to black women. That the first and fifth suggestions are directly opposed to one another demonstrates that there obviously isn't uniformity in the stereotypes people hold about different groups.

The perceived attraction to Asian women is justified by the data, however.

I believe n/a of RHE Notes has remarked that white men spend a disproportionate amount of time worrying about and comparing themselves with blacks. White men are the only group for which intimidation by some other group comes up among the top nine returns.

Whenever the issue of black criminality is brought up, a SWPL can always be relied on to note that most serial killers are white men, as though that somehow proves there are no real differences in rates of criminal behavior by race. It is not surprising that most serial killers are indeed white men, since men perpetrate more than 90% of all violent crime and the majority of the US' population is white. As La Griffe has shown, however, black men are still about twice as likely to become serial killers as white men are. Parenthetically, blacks are similarly twice as likely to engage in hate crime as are whites.

And, of course, white men are racist, as are white women and Hispanics. Although there are several reasons to believe blacks are more racialist than whites are, returns for blacks, as shown below, do not include anything about racism.

"Why are white women" so beautiful, jealous of Asian women, so hot, so racist, so ugly, attracted to black men, so easy, jealous of black women, so skinny, so attractive.

Jealousness of Asian women and attraction to black men are both justified by the data (though it needs to be remembered that the spouses of some 97% of married whites are white as well). That there are different patterns depending on sex (ie, white men/Asian women, black men/white women, Asian men and black women left out in the cold) among the remaining 3% that people are quite interested in for one reason or another is a testament of how salient race is, despite tripe about it being a "social construction".

The idea of white women being jealous of black women seems to come out of left field to me.

"Why are black men" bigger, attracted to white women, so angry, better in bed, so violent, violent, so lazy, on the down low, so ugly, obsessed with white women.

When people think of racial stereotypes, black men are surely the most conspicuous group that comes to mind. Trojan makes a style of condom, Magnums, that are larger than the rest of its product line. They come in a black box and are, in my experience, almost exclusively [actually, it appears that 40% of Magnums are purchased by black men, so it's their condom of choice, but whites buy them as well... just not this humble blogger, who is comfortable enough in who he is to admit that!] used by black men. Hence "bigger". The rest of the returns, with the odd exception of "on the down low", come as little surprise--SWPLs would point to the above and say it shows how ugly racism still exists (violent, angry, lazy), while HBD realists would counter that relative to whites, these adjectives are, on average, accurate.

"Why are black women" single, so angry, so rude, so loud, beautiful, angry, so mean, so overweight, losing their hair, obese.

With an illegitimacy rate today of nearly 70% for black babies, coupled with the fact that, like Asian men, black women lose out in the interracial mating game (they actually have it worse than Asian men do, as one-third of black men spend some amount of time incarcerated and are thus unavailable to black women who would otherwise be seeking them out), there is no shortage of single black women. A quick glance at Craigslist* confirms that.

The rest is pretty unflattering. If memory serves, in absolute terms, black females' waists are, on average, larger than the waists of black men. According to the CDC, some 37% of black women are obese (BMI of 30+). While the BMI has it's shortcomings for men (namely that guys like this are deemed "obese"), it is generally a good indicator for women. Thus we get "so overweight" and "obese".

"Why are Hispanics" short, at greater risk for PTSD, discriminated against, considered white, overweight, so racist, more obese, Catholic, rude, fat.

Unfortunately, Google only returns a couple suggestions for "why are Hispanic men" and "why are Hispanic women". While the term "Hispanic" definitionally refers to someone who speaks Spanish or is of Spanish descent, it generally brings to mind Amerindians, usually from Mexico. It is not Vicente Fox of Felipe Calderon who earn Hispanics their reputation for being physically short, it is the Amerindians who work on roofs and ride lawnmowers who do it.

That Hispanics can be of any race is a perpetual source of confusion for people. One always has to be cognizant of whether or not Hispanics (that is, Amerindians or Mestizos from south of the US border) are included in statistics on whites. When people think of white, they tend to have in their minds what is better described as "non-Hispanic white" by the Census, but the government often includes the majority of Hispanics in the white category (with the remainder either being characterized as black, two or more races, or "other", the latter being almost exclusively chosen by Hispanics).

Like black women, Hispanic women are also more likely to be overweight or obese than white women are. My impression is that Hispanic women are especially bad at carrying that extra weight, as it seems to congregate extensively in the worst place (the gut) for a woman to have excessive fat.

The "so racist" probably stems from the common perception among middle class white men that blacks and Hispanics have it out for each other (and because Hispanics tend to be more servile and less and threatening than blacks, the sloppy idea that Hispanics will take care of blacks in the city slums emerges from this line of thinking).

Like hair loss among black women, an increased risk of post traumatic stress disorder is not among the first things that come to mind when I think about Hispanics as a group.

"Why are Asian men" so ugly, ugly, so small, so skinny, so feminine, attractive, so weak, attracted to white women, feminine.

Ouch. While from it may appear from the outside looking in that teenage boys today are effeminate softies, a couple minutes in a WoW chatroom or a Halo 3 multiplayer reveals that stripped of authority figures forcing political correctness onto them, pussies and fags are among the most contemptible forms of life in the universe. The warrior spirit is alive among adolescent boys today, even if it manifests itself primarily in the virtual world. Compared to their black and white counterparts, Asian guys are more likely to have characteristics of those disrespected lifeforms.

"Why are Asian women" so thin, attracted to white men, so attractive, so rude, thin, so ugly, such bad drivers, flat, so small, so beautiful.

There are a handful of writeups on male penis size by things like nationality or race, but I'm unaware of any attempts to systematically measure bust size by the same. From personal experience though, I'm confident that "flat" is in the correct category here.

"Why are Jews" hated, liberal, rich, so cheap, so rich, so successful, Democrats, cheap, so smart, persecuted.

Like Hispanics, Google returns only a couple of suggestions for Jewish men and Jewish women. Read it and weep--people know what Jews are all about (think of "cheap" as a prodigal goy's underhanded way of acknowledging prudence and parsimony)!

Finally, the best for last:

"Audacious" epigone [my emphasis!], definition, skins, plugins, p, inquiry, meaning, synonym, in a sentence, ubuntu.

* Looking through the female-seeking-male postings for the Kansas City metro area, about half are by black women. Glancing through nearly 100 of them, I found only a single instance of someone who is clearly above a 3. Most are hopelessly unattractive. How sad.

19 comments:

Anonymous said...

Trojan makes a style of condom, Magnums, that are larger than the rest of its product line. They come in a black box and are, in my experience, almost exclusively used by black men.

And how would you know such a thing?

n/a said...

"remarked that white men spend a disproportionate amount of time worrying about and comparing themselves with blacks"

I don't think I've said that, exactly. What's true is an annoyingly vocal minority of white men on the internet are in awe of a media-constructed representation of black men.

Many of the black and white search suggestions make more sense if you realize they are primarily giving insight into the minds of blacks (not a random sample of internet users). Black people think about blacks (and think about whites as "white") much more than white people do -- on top of which I suspect lower IQ people are more likely to type search queries in the form of questions.

It's not white men typing "why are white men intimidated by black women". The only people who think white men are intimidated by (or attracted to) black women are black women. It's a classic black female rationalization for why they don't get approached by white men.

Likewise it's black women who think white women are jealous of them, wonder why black men are "on the down low", and believe white women are attracted to black men (because the white women who catch their attention are disproportionately those with black men), etc.

It's probably Asian women who think white women are jealous of Asian women.

Black-white differences in penis size amount to at most a fraction of an inch -- and it's not even clear in which direction (the Kinsey data points one way and a large internet survey points the other).

TGGP said...

Women are not attracted to men of other races. They penalize men of other races. It is only asian women who don't give men of their own race a bonus. Men are the least discriminate. I linked to some studies on that here.

agnostic said...

I didn't write it up (maybe will later), but you can do the same for sub-racial groups. So, instead of Asians, do Chinese, Japanese, Korean, etc. I remember the Chinese scoring low on just about everything, which matches my experience. They're much more rude than Japanese or Koreans, and the girls are pretty ugly, unlike the other two.

I think I did this on my blog for the Middle East and North Africa, only looking to see which women were considered good-looking. I recall Lebanese and Persians standing out -- no surprise there.

Re: "warrior spirit," there's no such thing unless they've got the warrior's deeds to back it up, and that doesn't come from atrophying your muscles and mind playing Halo.

If they even played a sport, that would count. Today's young dudes are totally insulated from the experience (rather than the thought) of getting into any heavy shit, even getting involved in a physical fight. It's not quite as bad as the completely effete rulers who the military guys in Shakespeare or Marlowe scoff at, but it's getting to be that decadent.

Anonymous said...

Interesting stuff.


White women are leery of Asian women because white men often find Asian women attractive, yet white women dont so often find Asian men attractive.

White men are leery of black men because white women sometimes find them attractive, yet white men dont often find black women attractive.


I think that about explains it.



BTW--Ditto on Hispanic women putting on weight in the belly. Thats a sad, but true development. I really hope the paleo-diet can catch on. Feeding people corn and wheat is like fattening up cows for slaughter. Those calories seem to go straight to the gut. A people that is prone to obesity anyway will be slammed by the American-Gunk-Phood-diet.

Anonymous said...

"Trojan makes a style of condom, Magnums, that are larger than the rest of its product line. They come in a black box and are, in my experience, almost exclusively used by black men."

lol @ "...in my experience..."

You trying to tell us something, AE?

I use them, FWIW.

Black Sea said...

I agree with the commenter above regarding the extent to which whites think about blacks, as opposed to the reverse. My experience has always been that blacks think about whites much more, which stands to reason since they are in the minority. That reality alone would almost force them to think more about whites.

Audacious Epigone said...

And how would you know such a thing?

Ha, I definitely do not swing both ways. But guys aren't that discrete in where they store the things, so I've seen enough to have a general impression.

"Almost exclusively" is too strong, though:

Are you good at coming up with hip-hop beats and lyrics? If so, we've got quite the gig for you. You could come up with the next official hip-hop song for Trojan's Magnum condoms. What's so funny about this contest?

Well, first of all it's called "Magnum Live Large Project" and it seems like it's specifically being marketed to African Americans. After all, the New York Times wrote an article on the contest and titled it "A Hip-Hop Contest to Promote a Brand." And they list specifics in the article too, like, "Magnum has grown its market share from 4.6 percent share of the condom market in 2001 to its current level of 18.8 percent. Trojan's internal research suggests Magnums are 'the most popular condom among African Americans' — they buy 40 percent of all Magnums."
[my emphasis] So, just because the contest is a hip-hop based one, we need statistics on how many African Americans are using the condoms?

TGGP,

Yes, I remember reading that but not quite being able to make sense of why white men are more inclined toward Asian women than black women, and white women more inclined toward black men than Asian men, when status-seeking, which is presumably more important to women than it is to men, would predict the opposite. Any thoughts on that?

Saint Louis said...

Do most negro men actually need larger condoms, or are they just stroking their own egos?

I don't wear Magnums, but that's because I'm married, so I don't wear condoms at all.

Anonymous said...

Last comment nailed it. Plus, condoms are supposed to be tight. Black dudes have higher rates of ED so maybe they have trouble keeping it up with correctly fitted condoms.

But too small huh? The odds of most dudes having that problem are not terribly good. Some? Sure, but a whole city’s young male population? Come on. And, as Jozen Cummings of Global Grind had the displeasure of discovering via The New York Times, there’s a funny little secret about the gold foil hang-down protector

[A]s the story’s writer, Andrew Adam Newman points out later, the Magnum is only connoting a myth.

For all the connotations, however, it turns out that Magnum is not so large. It is the same length as standard condoms, with the same circumference at its base, Mr. Daniels said. “Some people feel more comfortable with that width, but you don’t have to be an overly endowed man to use a Magnum and enjoy it,” he added.


DC Kids, Impressed with Themselves, Complain of Condom Size
http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2010/05/dc-kids-impressed-with-themselves-complain-of-condom-size/

blue said...

"Yes, I remember reading that but not quite being able to make sense of why white men are more inclined toward Asian women than black women, and white women more inclined toward black men than Asian men, when status-seeking, which is presumably more important to women than it is to men, would predict the opposite. Any thoughts on that?"

Hi Audacious,

I was actually thinking of doing some sort of write up on this.

What is happening is this:

You have a certain kind of white man who marries an Asian girl. He is usually kind of nerdy.

As a result, his white female counterpart possibly has to marry out as well. She doesn't marry a black man though. Instead she marries a swarthy caucasoidal type. I think in following order of preference:

Turks (pretty much white anyway)
Persians
Arabs
Pakistanis
Afghans
North Indians
Indians

As you go out further and further from Europe, the men start getting darker and more non-caucasoidal in appearance.

The white women who marry black men are very different. They are usually fat and often lower class and old.

blue said...

I'm an Indian girl, and I have to say the white man-Asian woman pairing bothers me a lot because it causes some serious repurcussions for other races.

Asian men who lose out probably marry FOB Asian women.

White women who lose out may marry out as well to swarthy caucasoidal men (which includes Indians).

Which means that Indian women lose out and have to marry FOB Indian men.

Peter said...

I once read that government standards require condoms to hold 20 liters of water without breaking. A man could eat a thousand oysters and not worry about bursting a condom.

Jack said...

I'm a white guy generally not attracted to Asian girls, but I find some Indian women hot.

Underachiever said...

I think n/a is right.


"pussies and fags are among the most contemptible forms of life in the universe"

Fag and pussy are basically interchangeable; they both mean wuss, not gay. Even when young people call something gay, they just mean stupid. Liberal and smart young people rarely make fun of gays. There is a South Park about this here: http://www.southparkstudios.com/search/?search=the+f+word&x=0&y=0

Audacious Epigone said...

Underachiever,

Right, unless it's something that is masculine and exclusively male (like a football locker room), homosexuality is not made fun of per se (although the sissiness associated with gay men is). But smart, liberal white kids still use "gay" as an adjective to describe something they dislike.

Anonymous said...

Can someone explain to me the phenomenon where a white dude dating an ugly asian chick that is like 3 level below him lol? I'm looking at it and am thoroughly confused. My theory is that the Asian chick is always the one who made the first move in these cases.

Anonymous said...

BTW--Ditto on Hispanic women putting on weight in the belly. Thats a sad, but true development. I really hope the paleo-diet can catch on. Feeding people corn and wheat is like fattening up cows for slaughter. Those calories seem to go straight to the gut. A people that is prone to obesity anyway will be slammed by the American-Gunk-Phood-diet.

Finally!!! i can finally read someone commenting on nutrition and is not low fat but PALEO YAY

However i cannot agree on the fat distribution thing, I’m from Venezuela, women here tend to put on weight around their hips and butts... i mean they can even be obese and you will still be able to notice a waist and bigger hips and boobs... I don’t know, it may be different in other latinamerican countries with more white or indigenous ascendance but in countries like Venezuela, Colombia, Brazil, Caribbean islands, central American… mmm nope i don’t think so

Maxine said...

So, I do not actually consider this may have success.